necht: old (really old) country is very much related to gospel/folk/blues
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lauri
you should look up some of the really early stuff, like the carter family
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Shepard` joined the channel
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lauri
or bill monroe for even more gospelly stuff
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wolfsong
wb shep
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yllona
nechto13: check this
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yllona is listening to I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry by Al Green from Call Me (1973) (0:17 / 3:13)
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SenRepus Ain't no Sunshine by Bill Withers
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SenRepus looks dumb
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wolfsong
y?
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lauri
heh, why? that's a classic
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SenRepus
because its the only song i ever contribute to these sorts of discussions
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SenRepus
:p
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wolfsong
LOL
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SenRepus
wait
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SenRepus Johnny Cash - I Walk the Line
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yllona
sen very much so, from:
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yllona is listening to Ain't No Sunshine by Bill Withers from Just as I Am (1971) (0:14 / 2:06)
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lauri
I find it practically impossible to assign genre to most music anyway
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yllona
lauri: i can.. sorry :)
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SenRepus
im not much for genre either
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lauri
take the carters: they took appalachian folk tunes, set either traditional or gospel lyrics to them, ma carter invented a (at the time brand new) way of plucking the banjo strings instead of strumming, thereby inadvertantly inventing bluegrass
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lauri
so what genre is that?
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nechto13
lauri, maybe not one. then you could assign many to them
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lauri
indeed
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yllona
lauri: blugraas would work best for the cater family
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lauri
(and the traditional lyrics, very often if you set them to a 12 bar blues guitar, would sound like they came out of the delta
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yllona
*carter
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lauri
my dog done up and left me cos I'm so sad, kinda stuff
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yllona
lauri: err, not quite :)
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lauri
well, other than they're talking about coal mining instead of cotton, yes
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wolfsong is listening to The Police - Spirits in the Material World [from Every Breath You Take: The Singles (1986)]
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yllona
no, theres the issue of race
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ClutchEr2 has quit
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lauri
try the lyrics to 'mother's not sleeping' heh, there's a tale of tragedy if there ever was one
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nechto13
mining is fun, weee... kidding
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lauri
you can't hear race in the music
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wolfsong is listening to Billy Joel - Scenes From an Italian Restaurant [from Greatest Hits, Volume I & Volume II (disc 1: 1973-1977) (1985)]
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wolfsong disagrees
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yllona
lauri: yes you can
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mustaqil joined the channel
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wolfsong
hi mustaqil
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mustaqil
Hey wolfsong
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lauri
heh, not if you don't know what colour someone is
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wolfsong
yes you can
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yllona plays for lauri
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mustaqil
Hmm, is it just me, or is the Audioscrobbler IRC unbelivably slow tonight?
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nikki_ surprises muz with a hug :o
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yllona is listening to Strange Fruit by Billie Holiday, Jazz at the Philharmonic Concert from Lady In Autumn: The Best Of The Verve Years (1946) (0:15 / 2:54)
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mustaqil
:o! :D
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mustaqil cuddles nikki back
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lauri
what about it? you know Billie is black, and you know what the lyrics are about
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nechto13
but if you think about it in the way of what's less boring to do day in and day out mining beats cotton picking, even if it's more dangerious
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nechto13
*dangerous
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lauri
and I much prefer nina simone singing that song anyway
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yllona
yes, and the son was especially written for her, about lynchings in the south
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lauri
you miss my point though
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yllona
oh, no. the song was written for bille by lewis allen, who wrote "the good soldier schwiek" under his "jewi name"
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yllona
no, i think you're on over your head on this one :)
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wolfsong though Strange Fruit was written after the Chicago lynchings but could be confused
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nechto13
i think i'm missing it too, lauri. i agree with yllona there
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wolfsong
*thought
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lauri
unless the lyrics are pointing it out (and that example is), you can't tell what colour or race someone is, if you can't see them
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lauri
any more than you can have the faintest idea what colour, race or religion I am, unless I tell you
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yllona
sorry Lewis allen " == "jewish name"
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mustaqil has quit
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yllona
laurie: i do music research for a living, and i'm a very proud black girl :)
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wolfsong
lauri: while there are exceptions, you can generally tell what ethnicity (hates using race as it's inaccurate) by how someone sounds
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yllona is listening to Strange Fruit by Cassandra Wilson from New Moon Daughter (1995) (0:13 / 5:35)
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wolfsong
oooo
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SenRepus goes back to listening to the faint
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wolfsong loves that version
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wolfsong
that's a stunning album no matter how ya slice it
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yllona
yep
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lauri
yllona: congratulations, I should send you an mp3 of me singing, so you can assume wrongly what race I am :)
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wolfsong
she just gets better and better with time
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yllona
pls send, but i'll nail, no matter waht
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nechto13
i think wolfsong and yllona are right there, it's more of an exception when it's hard to tell, then a rule
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lauri
yllona: I would if I had one
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yllona
what was your point then?
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wolfsong giggles @ yllona
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lauri
my point was, you wouldn't nail it
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nechto13
yllona: i think there are some cases when it's difficult to tell, but most of them would be recent. not old stuff
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SenRepus
you are a martian born in timbucktoo, NT, USA who was raised by wolves in south korustralia.
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lauri
close
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yllona winks, if you say so. i'm a seasoned professional in the blue-eyed soul genre. :-D
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lauri
I'm half maori, half portuguese, raised partly in the US, and I've lived in Europe for the past 10 years
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lauri
you'd have to be very good to get that mix :)
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wolfsong
that might make it harder to tell...
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Shepard has quit
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Shepard`
Shepard` is now known as Shepard
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yllona
ohh, like every other colored person, just ablend
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wolfsong has no idea who the Maori are
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SenRepus
niether do i
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SenRepus
im just a white american guy
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lauri
ask yllona, she knows everything
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yllona
but musical inflection is still easy to spot, even if it just comes doen to a regional accent
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wolfsong
i agree
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nechto13
maori are indiginous people of New Zeland
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yllona notes that lauri gets pissy quite quickly
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nikki_
maori are from new zealand
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wolfsong
ahhh thanks nechto13
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wolfsong would love to visit New Zealand
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nechto13
* indigenous
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SenRepus
ah fuck guys. its time for me to go
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nikki_
and zealand :P
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SenRepus
nomoforme
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wolfsong
have fun Sen
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SenRepus
im scared
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wolfsong
why?
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lauri
I never get pissy :)
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wolfsong
did you get your hair and clothes right?
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SenRepus
i donno i didnt have anyone to give advice
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nechto13 is listening to Visotsky - Whty aboriginals ate explorer Cook. just to bug lauri
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lauri
that was the tahitians dear
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lauri
or hawaiians, I forget
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yllona
any way back, to our original discussion before lauri showed he ass: here's another example of c & W in old skool R & B
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SenRepus
im a xenophobe, wolfsong
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yllona is listening to Funny How Time Slips Away by Al Green from Call Me (1973) (0:31 / 5:36)
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wolfsong not much for large crowds either
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nechto13
actually it's titled something else, but that's what the song's about
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wolfsong
but not phobic
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lauri
either way, it wasn't us :)
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SenRepus
thats agorophobia
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wolfsong
oh
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wolfsong
oops
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SenRepus
and im not that, but sorta am
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SenRepus
they are related
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PRAEst76
agroxenophobia...fear of open foreign places.
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wolfsong
what's xeno?
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SenRepus
xenophobia is scared of new people
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wolfsong
ahhh
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SenRepus
or foreigners as PRAEst76 has used
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PRAEst76
or strangers... depends on how people use it.
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SenRepus
new peope = strangers
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PRAEst76
or babies
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wolfsong giggles
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SenRepus
lol
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wolfsong
babies are scary lil critters
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yllona
they carry germs
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PRAEst76
"You're friend has just been sick!" "Oh don't worry about him, he's new..."
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yllona is listening to Oh, Pretty Woman by Al Green from I'm Still in Love With You (1972) (0:06 / 3:20)
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luks has quit
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nechto13
babies were the first to implement biological warfare against their parents, that's why spartans left them outside or bathed them in wine, they were scared of babies
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wolfsong
vermin i tell ya
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yllona
nechto13: so true, i just recovered from my first cold in 5+ years... toddlers
