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      • nechto13
        yllona: are you still on the phone?

        • 2006-01-21 02107, 2006

      • yllona
        yes, just afew more minutes

        • 2006-01-21 02116, 2006

      • nechto13
        sorry

        • 2006-01-21 02136, 2006

      • nechto13
        maybe someone else can help me, if i were to add the album to MB http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000003CZP/104-1… would the name of the composer appear in the title?

        • 2006-01-21 02159, 2006

      • yllona
        no

        • 2006-01-21 02142, 2006

      • nechto13
        ok. got it, thanks

        • 2006-01-21 02152, 2006

      • yllona
        oops, *yes*. the composer name is listed on the album cover. this is just an americana version of peter and the wolf

        • 2006-01-21 02123, 2006

      • yllona
        sneaky pete is one of the *great* bluegrass fiddlers

        • 2006-01-21 02158, 2006

      • nechto13
        lol, that's quite a difference there, in you answers. i'll leave it in.

        • 2006-01-21 02134, 2006

      • yllona
        soory, i was doing two thing at once.

        • 2006-01-21 02159, 2006

      • nechto13
        i know peter and the wolf, probably one of my favorite works by prokofiev, reminds me of my chiildhood and musical school

        • 2006-01-21 02111, 2006

      • yllona
        the actual composer is Peter schickele

        • 2006-01-21 02130, 2006

      • yllona
        perorming as PDQ bach. are you sure you want to tacle this one

        • 2006-01-21 02144, 2006

      • yllona
        *tackle this one?

        • 2006-01-21 02145, 2006

      • nechto13
        are you sure? i thought he is the narrator

        • 2006-01-21 02152, 2006

      • nechto13
        it's already in MB

        • 2006-01-21 02131, 2006

      • nechto13
        here is the link http://musicbrainz.org/album/0c2d9016-35f4-4406-8…

        • 2006-01-21 02135, 2006

      • yllona
        he wrote the narration

        • 2006-01-21 02119, 2006

      • yllona
        so it is prokofiev, and cammille sain-saens

        • 2006-01-21 02142, 2006

      • yllona
        *camille, acutally

        • 2006-01-21 02130, 2006

      • yllona
        amazon has PDQ bach as composer which is incorrect

        • 2006-01-21 02138, 2006

      • nechto13
        i see, so what should the album title be then? same as amazon?

        • 2006-01-21 02126, 2006

      • yllona
        I'd go with sneaky pete & The Wolf / Canival of the Animals

        • 2006-01-21 02147, 2006

      • yllona
        composers, Prokofiev and saint-saens

        • 2006-01-21 02159, 2006

      • yllona
        lyricist PDQ bach

        • 2006-01-21 02135, 2006

      • nechto13
        consider it done

        • 2006-01-21 02155, 2006

      • yllona
        except PDQ bach as a tendency to adapt classical msuic, that's what he does.

        • 2006-01-21 02118, 2006

      • yllona
        i can't tell if he's changed the msuic in any way unless i hear it.

        • 2006-01-21 02148, 2006

      • yllona
        Peter schickele/PDQ Bach: http://www.schickele.com/

        • 2006-01-21 02120, 2006

      • nechto13
        i wonder if it can be inferred from here http://www.presser.com/Composers/info.cfm?Name=PE…

        • 2006-01-21 02140, 2006

      • yllona
        looks like he just adapted the narration on this recording

        • 2006-01-21 02136, 2006

      • nechto13
        i have an idea of what to do with the album. i'll merge it to this one http://musicbrainz.org/album/0212b044-3497-426e-9…

        • 2006-01-21 02109, 2006

      • nechto13
        do you think i should split the album attributed to P.D.Q. Bach into VA?

        • 2006-01-21 02143, 2006

      • yllona
        yes, with camille saint-saens.

        • 2006-01-21 02105, 2006

      • nechto13
        ok, i'm gonna do that

        • 2006-01-21 02107, 2006

      • yllona
        there's only one track by PDQ bach

        • 2006-01-21 02121, 2006

      • yllona
        the rest are saint-saens

        • 2006-01-21 02133, 2006

      • SenRepus has quit

        • 2006-01-21 02123, 2006

      • nechto13
        not according to this http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=112…

        • 2006-01-21 02137, 2006

      • nechto13
        but i have to admit i'm pretty confused by this point

        • 2006-01-21 02117, 2006

      • SenRepus
        SenRepus has joined #MusicBrainz

        • 2006-01-21 02110, 2006

      • yllona
        the cduniverse page reflects that there re two "works" on the CD: sneaky pete & the wolf and carnival of the animals

        • 2006-01-21 02138, 2006

      • nechto13
        is there a narrator AR in MB?

        • 2006-01-21 02123, 2006

      • yllona
        there's an AR for dialogue i believe

        • 2006-01-21 02131, 2006

      • nechto13
        that sounds right, i think. first track is sneaky pete everything else is saint saens

        • 2006-01-21 02139, 2006

      • yllona
        yes

        • 2006-01-21 02109, 2006

      • nechto13
        i don't think narrator is not implemented yet, at least i can't find it in the dropdown under vocal ARs and i don't see dialogue AR either

        • 2006-01-21 02152, 2006

      • nechto13
        i'll put him down for background vocal

        • 2006-01-21 02134, 2006

      • yllona
        lead vocal

        • 2006-01-21 02149, 2006

      • yllona
        have you not heard peter & the wolf?

        • 2006-01-21 02129, 2006

      • nechto13 has horrible instincts

        • 2006-01-21 02157, 2006

      • yllona
        dialogue is here: http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=9…

        • 2006-01-21 02133, 2006

      • yllona
        so you wouldn't use it, i was wrong. i'd go with lead vocal

        • 2006-01-21 02106, 2006

      • yllona
        okay, i'm going to bed. c'ya later

        • 2006-01-21 02114, 2006

      • yllona has quit

        • 2006-01-21 02128, 2006

      • nechto13
        goodnight yllona, thanks for your help

        • 2006-01-21 02159, 2006

      • nechto13 welcomes back his old friend -- headache

        • 2006-01-21 02154, 2006

      • nechto13
        anyone awake enough to answer a question?

        • 2006-01-21 02153, 2006

      • wolfsong
        ya ya nechto13

        • 2006-01-21 02145, 2006

      • nechto13
        can i merge this http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=426… and this http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=238… albums?

        • 2006-01-21 02109, 2006

      • nechto13
        if it's a bad idea, please tell me why

        • 2006-01-21 02159, 2006

      • wolfsong
        hmmm

        • 2006-01-21 02124, 2006

      • wolfsong
        well the only reason i can think of not to is how messy it will be in the end

        • 2006-01-21 02137, 2006

      • wolfsong
        neither entry is right at the moment

        • 2006-01-21 02152, 2006

      • wolfsong
        huge problems with both

        • 2006-01-21 02114, 2006

      • wolfsong
        were you planning on merging the 1st into the 2nd or 2nd into 1st?

        • 2006-01-21 02117, 2006

      • nechto13
        what are the huge problems with VA album?

        • 2006-01-21 02100, 2006

      • wolfsong
        who's the performer?

        • 2006-01-21 02120, 2006

      • wolfsong
        we have performer on the 1st and composer on 2nd

        • 2006-01-21 02140, 2006

      • nechto13
        the one by SA into the one by VA

        • 2006-01-21 02152, 2006

      • wolfsong
        and there's no way to say they are truly the same recording

        • 2006-01-21 02100, 2006

      • wolfsong
        this is a popular pairing actually

        • 2006-01-21 02101, 2006

      • wolfsong
        still the problem of know who the performer is on the 2nd especially since there is a disc ID associated

        • 2006-01-21 02148, 2006

      • nechto13
        discid on VA album comes from FreeDB, i think

        • 2006-01-21 02115, 2006

      • wolfsong
        but you can't reverse lookup from MB to freeDB

        • 2006-01-21 02130, 2006

      • wolfsong
        and the data there is less reliable

        • 2006-01-21 02124, 2006

      • nechto13
        i believe this is the SA album http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000029…

        • 2006-01-21 02109, 2006

      • wolfsong
        http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&toke…

        • 2006-01-21 02119, 2006

      • wolfsong
        why that one?

        • 2006-01-21 02146, 2006

      • wolfsong
        if you look through that list you'll notice that these 2 works are paired together quite often

        • 2006-01-21 02107, 2006

      • wolfsong
        we don't have enough data in either listing to know if they are the same

        • 2006-01-21 02148, 2006

      • nechto13
        the SA album, is the one attributed to St Petersburg TV and Radio, its an import, it was released in '94 and the cover doesn't list Tales of An Old Grandmother,which is why it's not included in the title IMO, all circumstantial evidence though

        • 2006-01-21 02103, 2006

      • nechto13
        i think the allmusic link that you posted also doesn't include Tales of An Old Grandmother, which is why it's substantially shorter, by 4 minutes or so

        • 2006-01-21 02134, 2006

      • wolfsong
        no the link i posted shows recording of Peter and the Wolf

        • 2006-01-21 02152, 2006

      • wolfsong
        you'd have to look through each link on that page to see what else is on the recording

        • 2006-01-21 02110, 2006

      • wolfsong
        which is kinda my point

        • 2006-01-21 02155, 2006

      • wolfsong
        it' often paired with Carnival which as apparent from the listing but you'd have to do a fair amount of research for actual track listings and that most likely is not a complele list but more importantly shows just how incomplete the MB listings are

        • 2006-01-21 02100, 2006

      • nechto13
        i'm gonna guess you are against the merge?

        • 2006-01-21 02109, 2006

      • nechto13
        if so, i'll leave it be

        • 2006-01-21 02100, 2006

      • wolfsong
        in theory yes

        • 2006-01-21 02121, 2006

      • wolfsong
        in practice maybe

        • 2006-01-21 02112, 2006

      • wolfsong
        my thinking is if you're merging you're cleaning up and clarifying data but what can you clarify that to?

        • 2006-01-21 02140, 2006

      • wolfsong
        at the same time the merge doesn't really make things worse

        • 2006-01-21 02116, 2006

      • wolfsong
        since you have an SA recording to go by I'd fix that listing instead

        • 2006-01-21 02136, 2006

      • wolfsong
        and possibly delete the other for lack of information

        • 2006-01-21 02129, 2006

      • wolfsong
        unfortunately MB isn't yet classical friendly and prior to AR the situation was far worse

        • 2006-01-21 02150, 2006

      • wolfsong
        plenty of data has been lost making for some very crappy entries

        • 2006-01-21 02102, 2006

      • nechto13
        i like the decision to delete one of them, but i'm really against me fixing anything :)

        • 2006-01-21 02132, 2006

      • nechto13
        i have enough headache with adding all the members of israel philarmonic orchestra

        • 2006-01-21 02140, 2006

      • wolfsong
        LOL

        • 2006-01-21 02143, 2006

      • wolfsong
        you what?

        • 2006-01-21 02146, 2006

      • wolfsong
        LOL

        • 2006-01-21 02104, 2006

      • wolfsong
        please tell me you're kidding?

        • 2006-01-21 02129, 2006

      • nechto13
        it wasn't me idea. it was yllona's suggestion

        • 2006-01-21 02148, 2006

      • nechto13
        i was hoping that she was joking, but she was absolutely serious

        • 2006-01-21 02148, 2006

      • wolfsong
        oh my

        • 2006-01-21 02156, 2006

      • wolfsong
        and you let her rope you in on that?

        • 2006-01-21 02107, 2006

      • wolfsong
        LOL

        • 2006-01-21 02109, 2006

      • nechto13
        she said she would help. it all sounded pretty legit

        • 2006-01-21 02126, 2006

      • wolfsong
        until the UI changes to make AR easier i'll leave those brave tasks to the 2 of you ;-)

        • 2006-01-21 02156, 2006

      • wolfsong
        oh she'll probably help alright

        • 2006-01-21 02156, 2006

      • Knio has quit

        • 2006-01-21 02126, 2006

      • wolfsong
        not many people take on the painstaking task of adding that much detail just yet

        • 2006-01-21 02126, 2006

      • Knio joined the channel

        • 2006-01-21 02146, 2006

      • nechto13
        that's why i really admire artistdirect.com they have all that extra information for a lot of albums

        • 2006-01-21 02117, 2006

      • nechto13
        but even they don't have all the members of israel philarmonic

        • 2006-01-21 02136, 2006

      • wolfsong
        are you finished?

        • 2006-01-21 02142, 2006

      • nechto13
        i've never seen anyone use ARs like album design or photography or art direction in MB and artistdirect.com has them quite often especially on popular albums

        • 2006-01-21 02154, 2006

      • nechto13
        we just decided to do this today

        • 2006-01-21 02117, 2006

      • wolfsong
        so how much time have you spent working on this?

        • 2006-01-21 02143, 2006

      • nechto13
        i've been working on other stuff meanwhile

        • 2006-01-21 02142, 2006

      • nechto13
        she said we need to analyze the whole thing first instead of diving right into it

        • 2006-01-21 02143, 2006

      • wolfsong
        analyze what?

        • 2006-01-21 02114, 2006

      • slaad
        Analyse this!

        • 2006-01-21 02131, 2006

      • wolfsong
        i knew that was coming :-)

        • 2006-01-21 02133, 2006

      • nechto13
        analyze which artists are in MB and which need to be added, although i think a simple search would work for that before every addition

        • 2006-01-21 02142, 2006

      • slaad
        I couldn't resist :)

        • 2006-01-21 02110, 2006

      • nechto13
        slaad, you are blameless

        • 2006-01-21 02119, 2006

      • slaad
        Woohoo :)

        • 2006-01-21 02124, 2006

      • wolfsong
        LOL

        • 2006-01-21 02149, 2006

      • nechto13
        i'm getting constantly sidetracked by other bad entries so i can't concentrate on what i set out to do. at first i was planning to move all itzhak perlman albums back to him if they could be attributed to him and after that i was planning to get back to my russian artists. and now i 'm gonna have to add all the performers AND guest performers for the orchestra

        • 2006-01-21 02105, 2006

      • SenRepus
        if someone asks for "CPU" what computer stat are they asking me for

        • 2006-01-21 02130, 2006

      • slaad
        Processor type and speed.

        • 2006-01-21 02149, 2006

      • wolfsong
        or make of computer

        • 2006-01-21 02156, 2006

      • wolfsong
        depends on how old they are

        • 2006-01-21 02105, 2006

      • nechto13
        hehe

        • 2006-01-21 02132, 2006

      • wolfsong
        back in the old days CPU was what some folks today would call the tower

        • 2006-01-21 02154, 2006

      • wolfsong
        nechto13: what do you mean move back to perlman?

        • 2006-01-21 02159, 2006

      • wolfsong
        as artist?

        • 2006-01-21 02130, 2006

      • nechto13
        right, i wouldn't destroy existing composers for each track

        • 2006-01-21 02102, 2006

      • wolfsong
        that's against style

        • 2006-01-21 02118, 2006

      • wolfsong
        we'd have to change the SG 1st

        • 2006-01-21 02101, 2006

      • nechto13
        how's it against style? and what's SG 1st?

        • 2006-01-21 02104, 2006

      • wolfsong
        that should really wait until Picard can use AR data but i see your logic in doing now

        • 2006-01-21 02111, 2006

      • wolfsong
        style guide

        • 2006-01-21 02126, 2006

      • nechto13
        the tracks would still be attributed to composers

        • 2006-01-21 02137, 2006

      • SenRepus
        he ment change the style guide first

        • 2006-01-21 02141, 2006

      • SenRepus
        as in before

        • 2006-01-21 02104, 2006

      • wolfsong
        but the artist should be attributed to the composer per the SG

        • 2006-01-21 02115, 2006

      • wolfsong
        even the album artist