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mustaqila
It' got a big gay scene, and a half arsed version of the London public transport system
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mustaqila
It's, rather
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redondos
I see.
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redondos
Well, most of the big metropolis' gay scenes in the world are getting bigger and bigger.
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redondos
It's as if gay people liked clubs more than heterosexuals and never stop going out despite of becoming old and all.
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redondos
Probably because they usually don't form families, dunno.
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redondos
Anyway, I'm way off-topic.
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redondos
What do you think about including Manchester or not?
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redondos
I think it *is* relevant in this case, since Wigan isn't so well-known (at least for me it wasn't).
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russss
I didn't even know Wigan was in Manchester.
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redondos
This is a hard one, I need some advice, unfortunately.
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redondos
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redondos
Say I name the bootleg "1998-05-24: Haigh Hall, Wigan, Manchester, England". What should I name the album for those 4 extra tracks?
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redondos
I was thinking on something like "1998-05-24: Haigh Hall, Wigan, Manchester, England (DVD Extras)"
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nnitro
cant seem to drag anything from the file list into the pane on the right-hand side..
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nnitro
the drag indicator doesnt appear at all
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nnitro
dragging a folder shows the indicator, but it wont drop
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nnitro
what am i missing?
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luks
may be a wxWidgets 2.8 issue
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hurra has left the channel
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luks
as I said, it wasn't tested on 2.8 yet
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luks
(and probably won't be)
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nnitro
i dropped back to 2.7
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luks
2.7 is a beta release, not much better
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nnitro
preferred version is..?
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luks
2.6
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nnitro
thx.
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luks
exactly for problems like this was the Qt port started
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nnitro
any idea where i might find the 2.6 packages?
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nnitro
wxpython on sf only goes back to 2.7.1.3
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luks
no, sorry
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nnitro
2.6.* is safe?
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nnitro
or a specific minor version?
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luks
2.6.* or older
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luks
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nnitro
same behavior on 2.6.3.3
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luks
hmm
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nnitro
the local metadata window wasnt there before, though, so at least thats working..
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nnitro
any log files i can check?
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nnitro
other ui packages which might be incompatible?
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nnitro
oh wow
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nnitro
i know what it is
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nnitro
didnt install mp3 support
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luks
ah
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redondos
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redondos
No media player will be able to find the songs when searching 'tiesto'. How is it supposed to work?
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redondos
I mean, he's the dj-mixer of the album, it *is* important.
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juhae
i feel tempted to post the url to the trancecracker tract here ;)
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juhae
the album is placed under tiesto, though
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juhae
since it's attributed to him
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redondos
Yes, musicbrainz knows about tiesto because of %albumartistid, but your system doesn't.
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redondos
And, after all, we need to be able to find our music locally for us to be able to actually listen to it, don't we? :)
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redondos
I honestly wonder how you guys deal with these issues.
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luks
but that's not an argument to change valid data on musicbrainz
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redondos
I am not proposing to change the %artist field.
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redondos
I wouldn't do that.
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luks
what then?
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redondos
Well, it's something that deserves some thought. If MB hasn't decided on anything yet, I'm sure it's because it's not easy.
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redondos
I just want to know how you deal with it.
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luks
my player just reads the album artist name from tags
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redondos
Perhaps a valid response would be to use some field that audio players know of to save the albumartist.
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redondos
Something like id3 "arranger"?
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redondos
What player do you use, luks?
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luks
quod libet
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redondos
It reads every possible id3 tag, that's nice.
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redondos
k
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luks
yes
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redondos
Oh, wait.
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juhae
foobar does the same, which is nice
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luks
juhae: not exactly, foobar reads only a few id3 tags
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redondos
But the name "Tiesto" per se isn't saved either. Just the albumartistid which is aabb1d9f-be12-45b3-a84d-a1fc3e8181fd
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luks
hm, it isn't?
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redondos
(BTW, I am using ex falso to see the tags, so I guess quodlibet sees the same)
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juhae
luks: but i can set album artist to whatever as well
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juhae
so it prolly should work as intended in this case too
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redondos
So you're saying that musicbrainz does save a tag named 'albumartist'?
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luks
yes, but to a custom TXXX frame which QL doesn't read
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luks
i forgot that the old picard saves it there
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redondos
Ah.
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redondos
So what would your recommendation as more experienced MB/Picard users be?
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redondos
As things are now, QuodLibet/foobar/whatever won't be able to find these songs or tell me that Tiesto had anything to do with them.
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luks
yes, there is very little you can do with the current tags
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luks
WMP and iTunes created a semi-standard, for album artist names in ID3 tags
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redondos
Which is?
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luks
TPE2 frame
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redondos
I don't know what that is. And ID3 tag called "TPE2FRAME"?
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luks
ID3 tag names are four character IDs
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redondos
Oh.
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redondos
Then why can I just add arbitrary-named tags with exfalso?
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redondos
For instance, my current thought is that after saving files in Picard I would open them in ExFalso and add an "albumartist" tag.
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luks
it saves them to TXXX frames, which is exactly what picard does
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luks
QL and EF adds a QuodLibet:: prefix before the tag names, that's why you can't read it
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redondos
I'm kind of lost. I will try to look in the mailing list archives for messages talking about this.
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redondos
thanks
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luks
currently, if you add tag "albumartist" in Quod Libet, it will be saved as TXXX with description "QuodLibet::albumartist"
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luks
but from picard it's TXXX with description "albumartist"
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luks
the new picard saves it to TPE2, which QL and many other players can read without problems
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redondos
What is the new picard?
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luks
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redondos
I'm using 0.7.2
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redondos
Thanks
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luks
it's not released yet
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redondos
So in the current state of affairs, with the 'old' Picard: does it currently save 'albumartist', and do some players read this? (any players)
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luks
yes, "some"
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luks
i know only about one
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redondos
Which one?
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luks
foobar
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redondos
Ok.
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redondos
Just checked, amaroK can't.
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luks
amarok reads only artist/album/title/date
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luks
oh, and maybe comment
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redondos
It reads 'album artist', though I don't know which tag it specifically is.
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redondos
(Among other tags)
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luks
oh?
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redondos
It's probably the TPE2 frame you told me about.
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luks
damn, I can't figure out how to switch it from the mini mode to normal playlist view :)
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redondos
Hm... click the tray icon.
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luks
I have 1.4.4 and can't see an album artist field in the tag editor
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redondos
I'm not very interested in editing it, I just want it to read it.
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redondos
Right click the columns and see the 'show column' submenu.
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redondos
Why is my bazaar binary named 'baz' instead of 'bzr'?
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redondos
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redondos
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luks
it should be bzr
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ruaok
Check out what Santa brought MusicBrainz:
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ruaok
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redondos
great
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ruaok
lots more database power. I'm a happy camper. :)
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ruaok
luks: ping!
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luks
ruaok?
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ruaok
hey!
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luks
hi
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ruaok
so... I felt bad that I asked you to name a server, and then have keschte change his mind about naming a server.
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ruaok
and then your choice got bumped to our router. boo!
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ruaok
Would you like to pick a name for our new DB server??
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luks
uhh, I think I'll pass
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ruaok
ok.
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ruaok
I thought I'd offer since you kinda got the shaft on the last round.
