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      • dseomn
        anybody here who knows how to use classical style?

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      • dseomn pokes nightgroove

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      • Prodoc
        time for a nap, goodnight

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      • Muti
        http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140184

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      • flamingcow
        dseomn: i've certainly put in enough albums with it

        • 2006-07-28 20957, 2006

      • nightgroove
        what dsomn?

        • 2006-07-28 20909, 2006

      • dseomn
        flamingcow, nightgroove: I have http://musicbrainz.org/release/c55810d8-7f31-4a4f… and the other 4 volumes

        • 2006-07-28 20921, 2006

      • dseomn
        but I need some style help

        • 2006-07-28 20959, 2006

      • dseomn
        should Op. and the key go in the order on the style page (key then op) or the order on the cd?

        • 2006-07-28 20915, 2006

      • nightgroove
        order on the stylepage i'd say

        • 2006-07-28 20955, 2006

      • dseomn wasn't clear enough, the style page uses that order in an example, it doesn't say anything about the order though

        • 2006-07-28 20904, 2006

      • dseomn
        still that order?

        • 2006-07-28 20909, 2006

      • nightgroove
        hmm

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      • nightgroove
        give me an example of the two different orders. its alte and brain is siurupy and needs it with a teaspoon

        • 2006-07-28 20913, 2006

      • dseomn
        the above album and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ClassicalStyleGuide under "Catalogue: number and opus"

        • 2006-07-28 20942, 2006

      • dseomn
        I'm also confused by some of the punctuation after the roman numerals

        • 2006-07-28 20907, 2006

      • dseomn
        and why there are roman numerals in the first place

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      • flamingcow
        dseomn: so, this is one of those funny classical things

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      • flamingcow
        the No. thing

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      • flamingcow
        because "Symphony No. 4" is an object

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      • nightgroove
        those are movement thingies and are very important

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      • flamingcow
        but you can also have section numbers inside works

        • 2006-07-28 20933, 2006

      • flamingcow
        which that "No. " isn't

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      • dseomn
        nightgroove: they're not on the cd

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      • flamingcow
        or it'd go after "Op. "

        • 2006-07-28 20947, 2006

      • flamingcow
        but the movement numbers are critical

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      • nightgroove
        often a movemnt it just called 'sarabande' or adiago' or' alegro' and then its 3 allegros per disc

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      • flamingcow
        s/called/labeled/

        • 2006-07-28 20943, 2006

      • dseomn
        so when the disc doesn't have movement numbers, you just assume that the tracks are in order by movement?

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      • flamingcow
        yup

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      • nightgroove
        hum. es

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      • dseomn
        ok

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      • nightgroove
        or research

        • 2006-07-28 20957, 2006

      • flamingcow
        or compare against another source for the same opus

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      • nightgroove
        not be hard. mb is good enough for searchign that

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      • nightgroove
        ah beethoven

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      • nightgroove
        i worked with his symphonies before

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      • dseomn
        what about the punctuation in the movement name?

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      • nightgroove
        what punctuation, please give a written example

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      • nightgroove
        no links

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      • dseomn
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/c55810d8-7f31-4a4f…

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      • nightgroove
        no links

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      • dseomn
        -oops

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      • nightgroove
        its 3 am I'M tired :)

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      • dseomn
        "Adagio - Allegro vivace"

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      • nightgroove
        oh you umean the - ?

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      • nightgroove
        yes, that correct

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      • dseomn
        "Finale: Allegro"

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      • nightgroove
        that to

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      • nightgroove
        basically do what the cd says then

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      • dseomn
        the cd doesn't say that

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      • nightgroove
        hmm!

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      • dseomn
        hold, on, one more example

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      • flamingcow
        those are both fine

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      • nightgroove
        then do whats most common in musicbrainz

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      • nightgroove
        they are both fine

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      • flamingcow
        it's "Section Type: Tempo"

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      • flamingcow
        or "Tempo - Tempo - Tempo"

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      • flamingcow
        if it changes during the track

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      • dseomn
        "Menuetto: Alegro vivace; Trio: Un poco meno allegro"

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      • nightgroove
        flamingcow: yea!

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      • flamingcow
        s/;/ -/

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      • nightgroove
        yes

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      • nightgroove
        agre

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      • nightgroove
        no ;

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      • dseomn
        Trio is a tempo?

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      • nightgroove
        hmm yes

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      • flamingcow
        no, trio is a section type

        • 2006-07-28 20922, 2006

      • flamingcow
        but the point is that the track has two distinct sections

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      • nightgroove
        hmm

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      • flamingcow
        one's a minuet at allegro vivace, and the other's a trio played a little slower than allegro

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      • dseomn
        the cd says (exactly): "Menuetto, Allegro vivace Trio: un poco meno allegro"

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      • dseomn
        brb

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      • dseomn
        back

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      • dseomn
        so the upper case is enough to know that it's a separate part?

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      • flamingcow
        no, use a -

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      • flamingcow
        the same way you would if they were just tempos

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      • flamingcow
        Menuetto: Allegro vivace - Trio: Un poco meno allegro

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      • dseomn
        I meant, is it enough to know to use " - " in the future

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      • dseomn
        or do I have to research everything?

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      • nightgroove
        it's a good indication. but just a quick search on musicbrainz itself will do. after a while if you work with the same composer, you'll learn it by heart ;)

        • 2006-07-28 20931, 2006

      • dseomn
        ok

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      • dseomn
        what about the order or Op. and key?

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      • dseomn
        should it be "Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67" or "Symphony No. 5, Op. 67 in C minor"?

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      • flamingcow
        that's a really good question :)

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      • flamingcow
        i'd say the latter

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      • flamingcow
        but i'm not honestly sure

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      • nightgroove
        "Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67"

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      • flamingcow
        and we certainly have albums that do it both ways

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      • nightgroove
        I say "Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67" and I've only done it that way

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      • dseomn will go with nightgroove b/c the example on the style guide uses that

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      • nightgroove
        :)

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      • dseomn will also turn off autoed privs

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      • nightgroove
        :)

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      • nightgroove
        and now i'll go to bed fer real

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      • nightgroove
        natta!

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      • dseomn
        thanks, I think I can finally add these

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      • dseomn
        night mo

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      • dseomn wonders why mb is working at normal speed for everything except adding discids

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      • dseomn
        is there a way to add a discid in one step if you know the album id and the toc data?

        • 2006-07-28 20921, 2006

      • dseomn
        I keep getting error 502 when I select Ludwig van Beethoven from the discid add page

        • 2006-07-28 20946, 2006

      • dseomn
        but not for other artists

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      • dseomn
        it seems like it's caused by too many albums under one artist

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      • nightgroove
        I know a hint. search for releases instead of search for artist

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      • nightgroove
        if its already there. its just a matter of accosiating the toc

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      • dseomn
        oh, cool

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      • dseomn
        thanks

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      • nightgroove
        :)

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      • nightgroove
        no prob

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      • dseomn
        I thought that was for VA only

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      • nightgroove
        it is

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      • nightgroove
        but it searches everything

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      • nightgroove
        if you want to add something. it makes it VA but if its just a simple toc add

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      • nightgroove
        it works fine

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      • dseomn
        and if I need to add, I can add w/o the toc and add the toc later

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      • dseomn
        thanks, that saves me a lot of time

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      • nightgroove
        :)

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      • nightgroove
        no prob

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      • HolyBastard
        hey I got a question why beside the PUID there isn't any lookup count on it?

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      • flamingcow
        i thought those were the number of ids, not the number of lookups?

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      • HolyBastard
        well besides the trm's there is a lookup count

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      • HolyBastard
        besides the PUID there isn't any

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      • flamingcow
        trm's is definitely number of trms submitted for that track

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      • HolyBastard
        but PUID aren't submitted if the are already present?

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      • HolyBastard
        http://musicbrainz.org/track/811d049b-4cfa-46d9-a…

        • 2006-07-28 20901, 2006

      • HolyBastard
        for exemple this track has 4 PUID but its impossible to tell if they are all used or if some are "bogus" PUID

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      • dseomn
        flamingcow: are you still there?

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      • dseomn
        nvm, I got it

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      • dseomn
        actually, I don't got it

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      • dseomn
        does should it be "Symphony No. 3 "Eroica" in E-flat major, Op. 55" or "Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, Op. 55 "Eroica""?

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      • dseomn
        s/does//

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      • dseomn
        I'd guess the former

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      • flamingcow
        latter, style guidelines

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      • dseomn
        ah, thanks

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      • dseomn
        what if the op. has a common name that's used on the front cover, but not in the track listing?