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      • slaad
        I'm not sure my coworkers agree :)

        • 2006-05-20 14016, 2006

      • Nyght
        lol inhouseuk

        • 2006-05-20 14027, 2006

      • Nyght disappears for a short time, to enjoy breakfast with her kiddoes

        • 2006-05-20 14032, 2006

      • Nyght
        Nyght is now known as Nyghtmare

        • 2006-05-20 14033, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        or "invalid number of arguments passed to question"

        • 2006-05-20 14044, 2006

      • SenRepus has quit

        • 2006-05-20 14001, 2006

      • slaad
        Haha.

        • 2006-05-20 14011, 2006

      • yalaforge joined the channel

        • 2006-05-20 14038, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        G'day yalaforge

        • 2006-05-20 14046, 2006

      • yalaforge
        hey

        • 2006-05-20 14011, 2006

      • yalaforge never realized what a mess U2 is in the DB. wow.

        • 2006-05-20 14016, 2006

      • keschte
        hi matthias, thanks for the spellcheck

        • 2006-05-20 14033, 2006

      • yalaforge
        hi, np :-)

        • 2006-05-20 14059, 2006

      • keschte
        some projects weren't migrated to svn it seems?

        • 2006-05-20 14007, 2006

      • keschte
        the cd lookup tool and others

        • 2006-05-20 14020, 2006

      • yalaforge
        legacy stuff, I guess

        • 2006-05-20 14048, 2006

      • yalaforge
        the cd lookup tool is extremely outdated. which are missing?

        • 2006-05-20 14035, 2006

      • yalaforge
        what's happening here? -> http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4836949

        • 2006-05-20 14048, 2006

      • keschte
        rob has only changed the content of the live page (cvs-modules) but not in svn.

        • 2006-05-20 14056, 2006

      • keschte
        there's lots more here: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/tru…

        • 2006-05-20 14008, 2006

      • keschte
        compared to: http://musicbrainz.org/development/cvs-modules.ht…

        • 2006-05-20 14032, 2006

      • keschte
        huh!

        • 2006-05-20 14056, 2006

      • keschte
        since when can we _not_ add releases before the release date?

        • 2006-05-20 14004, 2006

      • keschte
        we're getting discogs'ish

        • 2006-05-20 14035, 2006

      • yalaforge wasn't sure if that again was one of those unwritten rules we seem to have a lot these days

        • 2006-05-20 14007, 2006

      • luks
        bleh

        • 2006-05-20 14017, 2006

      • luks
        just show me one official source with this track listing

        • 2006-05-20 14018, 2006

      • yalaforge
        tsk, tsk, luks ;-)

        • 2006-05-20 14028, 2006

      • keschte
        not good.

        • 2006-05-20 14029, 2006

      • luks
        official source != amazon

        • 2006-05-20 14055, 2006

      • luks
        the only i can find is http://www.nellyfurtado.com/music/default.aspx?pi…

        • 2006-05-20 14056, 2006

      • yalaforge
        there are thousands of releases in the DB where you can't give official track listings

        • 2006-05-20 14000, 2006

      • yalaforge
        well, I don't think amazon invented this track listing ...

        • 2006-05-20 14001, 2006

      • luks
        voting no on future release is easier than proving that the release actually doesn't exist later

        • 2006-05-20 14013, 2006

      • luks
        well, but it can have bonus tracks and stuff

        • 2006-05-20 14025, 2006

      • luks
        amazon not always lists this

        • 2006-05-20 14044, 2006

      • ngw has quit

        • 2006-05-20 14006, 2006

      • MartinRudat
        MartinRudat is now known as MingVase

        • 2006-05-20 14033, 2006

      • luks
        people just download those leaked promo rips and want to add them to the database... :/

        • 2006-05-20 14044, 2006

      • yalaforge thinks this kind of voting is very discouraging for people who add data

        • 2006-05-20 14053, 2006

      • keschte too

        • 2006-05-20 14022, 2006

      • keschte
        yalaforge: i've entered another asin, haven't seen yours. please delete your mod :(

        • 2006-05-20 14005, 2006

      • yalaforge
        this one? -> http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4839035

        • 2006-05-20 14014, 2006

      • keschte
        yup.

        • 2006-05-20 14027, 2006

      • yalaforge
        ok, done

        • 2006-05-20 14035, 2006

      • keschte
        stupid non-automods ;)

        • 2006-05-20 14042, 2006

      • keschte
        or stupid automods...

        • 2006-05-20 14044, 2006

      • keschte sighs

        • 2006-05-20 14048, 2006

      • yalaforge
        look before you mod ;-)

        • 2006-05-20 14052, 2006

      • luks
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4841055 - "Not yet released but I have it..."

        • 2006-05-20 14051, 2006

      • keschte
        from about us: "MusicBrainz does not condone copyright infringement and will never help you find a place to illegally download copyrighted works."

        • 2006-05-20 14001, 2006

      • keschte
        which we don't.

        • 2006-05-20 14015, 2006

      • luks
        but what's the point of adding bogus releases?

        • 2006-05-20 14028, 2006

      • luks
        if it's not released, you can't prove it exist

        • 2006-05-20 14037, 2006

      • keschte
        the mp3 exist.

        • 2006-05-20 14057, 2006

      • keschte
        if the tracklisting changes, it's still a "promo" afterwards and a new release can be added. or the leaked copy removed.

        • 2006-05-20 14012, 2006

      • keschte
        either way, its interesting to see that a release is about to come up which one can buy

        • 2006-05-20 14044, 2006

      • yalaforge likes being notified by MB when new releases are coming up for his subscribed artists

        • 2006-05-20 14035, 2006

      • luks just doesn't want to have loads of non-existant releases under his subscribed artists

        • 2006-05-20 14040, 2006

      • keschte
        there's lot of room for improvement in the notification process, but its a start

        • 2006-05-20 14049, 2006

      • slaad
        Also, not-released yet doesn't mean it's pirated.

        • 2006-05-20 14059, 2006

      • yalaforge
        slaad: exactly

        • 2006-05-20 14005, 2006

      • luks
        but there is *no way* to prove it

        • 2006-05-20 14010, 2006

      • slaad
        A lot of the artists I'm interested in often post the tracklisting for their next album on their website.

        • 2006-05-20 14013, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Wrong luks

        • 2006-05-20 14017, 2006

      • mustaqila finds example

        • 2006-05-20 14017, 2006

      • keschte
        luks: i don't understand the reasoning. it can be changed once a confirmed tracklisting exists

        • 2006-05-20 14018, 2006

      • slaad
        Sure there is. www.artistssite.com

        • 2006-05-20 14041, 2006

      • HairMetalAddict
        "Not yet released but I or one of my fellow Hard Rockin' 80s DJs has this promo disc"

        • 2006-05-20 14045, 2006

      • mustaqila
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4672445

        • 2006-05-20 14053, 2006

      • mustaqila
        http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4387773

        • 2006-05-20 14054, 2006

      • HairMetalAddict
        Those "leaked promos" still come from an official promo disc.

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • luks
        then people should add it as "Promotional" not "Official"

        • 2006-05-20 14030, 2006

      • keschte
        mustaqila: dooooh! can't believe that ;)

        • 2006-05-20 14035, 2006

      • mustaqila
        keschte, why not?

        • 2006-05-20 14046, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Goashem works with the band heh, it's how I got a copy of it so early, contacts ;)

        • 2006-05-20 14059, 2006

      • HairMetalAddict
        Hmmm... now if only we had an easy way for an automod to switch the release type to "promotional"...

        • 2006-05-20 14010, 2006

      • yalaforge
        HMA: :-)

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • keschte
        mustaqila: i can't believe the arguments against...

        • 2006-05-20 14030, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Oh

        • 2006-05-20 14031, 2006

      • keschte
        lol

        • 2006-05-20 14013, 2006

      • yalaforge
        all this "proof" business lately is weird. anybody can set up a website with the given track listing and most people will accept that and vote yes ...

        • 2006-05-20 14039, 2006

      • keschte
        have to agree here,too.

        • 2006-05-20 14006, 2006

      • yalaforge
        keschte: those cvs modules are listed as deprecated, so I don't think we need them in svn. it's dead code

        • 2006-05-20 14013, 2006

      • keschte
        what do you think about this? http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4811343

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • keschte
        yalaforge: ok, np with that

        • 2006-05-20 14001, 2006

      • yalaforge
        I'm just not sure if we need the old python-musicbrainz

        • 2006-05-20 14018, 2006

      • keschte
        all i need is my beloved mb_server

        • 2006-05-20 14020, 2006

      • keschte
        mehehe

        • 2006-05-20 14025, 2006

      • luks
        yalaforge: the code is now in libmusicbrainz

        • 2006-05-20 14025, 2006

      • yalaforge
        lol

        • 2006-05-20 14036, 2006

      • yalaforge
        ah, right.

        • 2006-05-20 14026, 2006

      • yalaforge wouldn't bother with deleting URL relationships

        • 2006-05-20 14034, 2006

      • luks
        aargh!

        • 2006-05-20 14036, 2006

      • luks
        WMP11 still can't read ID3v2.4

        • 2006-05-20 14053, 2006

      • yalaforge
        you didn't actually believe they would fix it? ;-)

        • 2006-05-20 14018, 2006

      • Amblin has quit

        • 2006-05-20 14027, 2006

      • luks
        well, it's soooo easy to fix :)

        • 2006-05-20 14039, 2006

      • luks
        so yes, i was hoping

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • yalaforge
        probably they found new exciting ways to invade your privacy, but I don't think they fixed anything important ...

        • 2006-05-20 14014, 2006

      • juhae
        luks: is country_names.csv a file that should come with picard installation?

        • 2006-05-20 14030, 2006

      • juhae
        since my error log is full of "no such file or directory" errors about it

        • 2006-05-20 14035, 2006

      • luks
        hmm

        • 2006-05-20 14042, 2006

      • yalaforge
        which os?

        • 2006-05-20 14043, 2006

      • luks
        are you running picard from sources?

        • 2006-05-20 14053, 2006

      • juhae
        the windows beta build

        • 2006-05-20 14006, 2006

      • luks
        when did you download it?

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • yalaforge
        I thought beta3 included the unreleased pymb2-0.3.2?

        • 2006-05-20 14028, 2006

      • luks
        yes

        • 2006-05-20 14029, 2006

      • juhae
        arr.. about the time it was released, i guess

        • 2006-05-20 14044, 2006

      • luks
        weird

        • 2006-05-20 14012, 2006

      • luks
        i don't think i uploaded that version with wrong pymb2 to hc.org

        • 2006-05-20 14014, 2006

      • juhae
        eh, okay, it didn't produce an error message this time either

        • 2006-05-20 14057, 2006

      • Nyghtmare
        inhouseuk: I've been presented with a pretty firm differing viewpoint on the soundtrack issue. What would be the easiest way to find out, for instance the largest composer for soundtracks in our database.. (and potentially as well free db) and then perchance, the largest number of songs attributed by their performers? (like, for instance, I chose "A Whole New World" since I could get numbers on that for performers, as opposed to per

        • 2006-05-20 14004, 2006

      • juhae
        i've still to figure out why it won't load album information from mb unless i make picard use a proxy server

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • juhae
        without a defined proxy it just hangs on the "loading album information" bit

        • 2006-05-20 14041, 2006

      • luks
        hmm

        • 2006-05-20 14057, 2006

      • yalaforge thinks you should download again and reinstall :-)

        • 2006-05-20 14048, 2006

      • orogor has quit

        • 2006-05-20 14022, 2006

      • juhae
        yalaforge: i've done that numerous times already :)

        • 2006-05-20 14033, 2006

      • yalaforge
        oh. hmmm.

        • 2006-05-20 14053, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        Nyghtmare: not sure I understand exactly what you require. Drop me an email with what you'd like as a output/result and I'll see if it's possible

        • 2006-05-20 14023, 2006

      • juhae
        and also, i stll have to manually access the localhost:8000/wakeup url in order to shutdown picard

        • 2006-05-20 14043, 2006

      • juhae
        the crazy bit is that i'm not behind a transparent proxy or anything that should cause all this sillyness

        • 2006-05-20 14019, 2006

      • Nyghtmare
        I'll try and formulate my thoughts a little more clearly. and send you mail.

        • 2006-05-20 14026, 2006

      • Nyghtmare runs to do that and then find her cat

        • 2006-05-20 14029, 2006

      • yalaforge thinks joan will kill him -> http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4846216

        • 2006-05-20 14038, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        juhae: have you got any firewalling? Blocking all icmp for instance (some icmp is required for proper internet operation!)

        • 2006-05-20 14022, 2006

      • yalaforge
        pymb2 uses plain outgoing http, it should be no problem at all

        • 2006-05-20 14033, 2006

      • juhae
        inhouseuk: i've unloaded the software firewall i use at this box, and nothing changes :)

        • 2006-05-20 14055, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        yalaforge: yes, but if MTU sizes are off, blocking all icmp screws up MTU path discovery and the source doesn't know it needs to fragment the packet

        • 2006-05-20 14056, 2006

      • yalaforge knows

        • 2006-05-20 14015, 2006

      • yalaforge
        that would affect other network traffic, too. not just picard

        • 2006-05-20 14029, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        true

        • 2006-05-20 14029, 2006

      • slaad has quit

        • 2006-05-20 14045, 2006

      • keschte
        yalaforge: something is weird with the AboutMusicBrainz page

        • 2006-05-20 14010, 2006

      • keschte
        Although any client ''can'' send <-- from there on, everything is italic to the rest of the paragraph

        • 2006-05-20 14018, 2006

      • yalaforge
        it's slightly outdated, too

        • 2006-05-20 14023, 2006

      • yalaforge looks

        • 2006-05-20 14027, 2006

      • yalaforge
        where exactly? it looks good to me

        • 2006-05-20 14052, 2006

      • keschte
        the ''can'' should be italic, then again normal

        • 2006-05-20 14010, 2006

      • keschte
        it does not look wrong, but it is

        • 2006-05-20 14020, 2006

      • yalaforge doesn't find it

        • 2006-05-20 14031, 2006

      • yalaforge
        all "can"s look good

        • 2006-05-20 14033, 2006

      • luks neither

        • 2006-05-20 14042, 2006

      • luks
        this page http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AboutMusicBrainz ?

        • 2006-05-20 14021, 2006

      • keschte
        ouch..

        • 2006-05-20 14029, 2006

      • keschte
        i meant http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Development/Overview

        • 2006-05-20 14057, 2006

      • yalaforge
        ahh :-)

        • 2006-05-20 14030, 2006

      • yalaforge
        '' can '' -> ''can'' ?