yes song parts are about the only thing redemable on discogs
2006-05-25 14539, 2006
wolfsong13
catmo according to the wiki page keyboards are split up
2006-05-25 14549, 2006
wolfsong13
is that page up to date?
2006-05-25 14553, 2006
ojnkpjg
i think the ability to create a collection and wantlist is pretty great
2006-05-25 14553, 2006
catmo
hmm.. the wikipage is a bit outofdate
2006-05-25 14500, 2006
ojnkpjg
especially with the new marketplace type thing
2006-05-25 14501, 2006
catmo
what are you refering to. spesifically?
2006-05-25 14503, 2006
wolfsong13
i haven't looked at the actual AR
2006-05-25 14511, 2006
ojnkpjg
not that we'd want to do that, but i like it a lot
2006-05-25 14512, 2006
gecks
yeah i wouldn't want collection facility here...the data just isn't suited for it IMO
2006-05-25 14552, 2006
wolfsong13
ojnkpjg: i think we do want that actually
2006-05-25 14500, 2006
catmo
I want it!!!
2006-05-25 14507, 2006
ojnkpjg
what for?
2006-05-25 14520, 2006
mudcrow
bragging rights :)
2006-05-25 14521, 2006
wolfsong13
song segments?
2006-05-25 14523, 2006
nikki_
gecks: it depends how much detail you want. personally I'm happy with something that matches the tracklisting.
2006-05-25 14525, 2006
ojnkpjg
we can't distinguish between different media formats for the same releases
2006-05-25 14531, 2006
nikki_
mb can do that fine.
2006-05-25 14549, 2006
tro has quit
2006-05-25 14549, 2006
catmo
but we will. in the future
2006-05-25 14552, 2006
catmo
afaik
2006-05-25 14558, 2006
ojnkpjg
what do song segments have to do with collections?
2006-05-25 14559, 2006
nikki_
catmo: when you finish :P
2006-05-25 14503, 2006
ojnkpjg
i think we're talking about different things
2006-05-25 14504, 2006
catmo
:o
2006-05-25 14505, 2006
gecks
yeah thats what i want for the my tagging. and the way MBz changes the data to keep consistancy, i like that a lot for tagging
2006-05-25 14515, 2006
warp
can anyone suggest a tag editor for flac? (i'm on ubuntu)
2006-05-25 14522, 2006
ojnkpjg
metaflac :P
2006-05-25 14523, 2006
catmo
next time I wont rent stuff for mlibrary. I'll work on that instead?
2006-05-25 14526, 2006
nikki_
metaflac
2006-05-25 14534, 2006
catmo
hmm
2006-05-25 14541, 2006
nikki_ has never used anything else :)
2006-05-25 14545, 2006
catmo
whats the deal with cockroache's mods now?
2006-05-25 14555, 2006
catmo
someone going around and automodapproving them?
2006-05-25 14514, 2006
warp always has to go in after picard and fix stuff
2006-05-25 14515, 2006
warp
:/
2006-05-25 14524, 2006
nikki_
warp: like?
2006-05-25 14526, 2006
wolfsong13
catmo: you have organs under wind instruments and , piano under struck and others under electriv
2006-05-25 14537, 2006
catmo
wolf: that was sone intentionally
2006-05-25 14543, 2006
wolfsong13
also i don't think i saw harpsichord (may have missed it)
2006-05-25 14543, 2006
catmo
I did alot of research o n that
2006-05-25 14554, 2006
catmo
harpsicord are under psaltery
2006-05-25 14556, 2006
warp
nikki_: in this particular case, it's a vinyl only release. I want track numbers A1,A2,B1,B2, instead of 1,2,3,4
2006-05-25 14501, 2006
nikki_
ah
2006-05-25 14504, 2006
catmo
these isntruemnts are wind and string instruments
2006-05-25 14512, 2006
wolfsong13
it's technically accurate but not generally logical
2006-05-25 14524, 2006
catmo
'keyboards' is an arbritray grouping elemnt
2006-05-25 14529, 2006
catmo
well
2006-05-25 14529, 2006
Joan_W has quit
2006-05-25 14530, 2006
wolfsong13
most people don't know that pianos are technically percission
2006-05-25 14537, 2006
wolfsong13
which is good
2006-05-25 14539, 2006
catmo
but I have them understrings!
2006-05-25 14542, 2006
warp
nikki_: I also prefer just 1,2,3,4 instead of 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 which picard has started doing.
2006-05-25 14546, 2006
catmo
most people lknow pianos have strings
2006-05-25 14550, 2006
ojnkpjg
do people really not know that?
2006-05-25 14501, 2006
wolfsong13
but they are hammered instruments
2006-05-25 14503, 2006
nikki_
piano is piano to me
2006-05-25 14511, 2006
catmo
yes. but so is dulcimer
2006-05-25 14514, 2006
nikki_
it has its own category in nikki's brain.
2006-05-25 14514, 2006
wolfsong13
they are not played as other strings are played
2006-05-25 14522, 2006
catmo
it has tringa and flla into othe struck chordophone family
2006-05-25 14526, 2006
wolfsong13
understand but not my point anyway
2006-05-25 14531, 2006
catmo
I fid literally *hours* of researcho n this
2006-05-25 14534, 2006
nikki_
warp: ah. you can either downgrade or wait for this tagger script people keep talking about
2006-05-25 14536, 2006
wolfsong13
it should be where someone will look for it
2006-05-25 14555, 2006
wolfsong13
and in the case of keyboards some of them aren't easily found
2006-05-25 14513, 2006
ojnkpjg
the search functionality does a really good job these days
2006-05-25 14517, 2006
ojnkpjg
it used to be awful before we had that
2006-05-25 14519, 2006
catmo
nonone will look for it, that's' what the search function is for. noone has complained so far. and with an instrument as often and widly used as piano, there would have been
2006-05-25 14525, 2006
catmo
this sortign is for consistency
2006-05-25 14526, 2006
wolfsong13
also oboe and english horn are not the same
2006-05-25 14537, 2006
gecks
agreed search engine makes it much better :)
2006-05-25 14545, 2006
wolfsong13
english horn should not be a sub there
2006-05-25 14556, 2006
ojnkpjg
i used to have to remember how many times to hit page down for certain instruments
2006-05-25 14521, 2006
catmo
no offence. but until you spend 3 hours on wikipedia and 5 hours surfign there web and know things by hard. please do not berate me about this
2006-05-25 14530, 2006
wolfsong13
but are they using search because they can't find it in the tree?
2006-05-25 14546, 2006
wolfsong13
ummm well i don't think i need to
2006-05-25 14546, 2006
catmo
theyare using search because there is 100+ instruments
2006-05-25 14552, 2006
ojnkpjg
my intuition is that most people use search first
2006-05-25 14555, 2006
wolfsong13
i majored in music in college
2006-05-25 14557, 2006
catmo
jupp
2006-05-25 14504, 2006
ojnkpjg
that's what i do, anyway
2006-05-25 14504, 2006
nikki_
wolfsong13: *I* use the search because I take one look at that huuuuuge list and think holy shit!
2006-05-25 14512, 2006
ojnkpjg
if search doesn't work, i fallback to serching the tree
2006-05-25 14515, 2006
wolfsong13
then we should drop the tree bit entirely
2006-05-25 14515, 2006
catmo
well sorry, but I am going to take myown search and knowledge over yours
2006-05-25 14532, 2006
wolfsong13
well that's a bit sad isn't it?
2006-05-25 14534, 2006
nikki_
the list is *huge*. I can't be arsed to look in all those!
2006-05-25 14543, 2006
nikki_ hated the search at first
2006-05-25 14547, 2006
nikki_
but now I can see why it's useful
2006-05-25 14553, 2006
catmo
stop complaining and come up with an alternative and push the envelope to have it implemnt it
2006-05-25 14553, 2006
wolfsong13
you're taking the word of some annonymous person
2006-05-25 14557, 2006
mustaqila yawns and sharghles
2006-05-25 14500, 2006
wolfsong13
i'm not complaining
2006-05-25 14503, 2006
wolfsong13
i'm suggesting
2006-05-25 14506, 2006
catmo
yes you are
2006-05-25 14511, 2006
ojnkpjg
yeah, enter a few classical albums and you'll develop a healthy hatred of the list
2006-05-25 14513, 2006
ojnkpjg
without search
2006-05-25 14513, 2006
nikki_ isn't complaining either
2006-05-25 14523, 2006
catmo
not talking to you nikki
2006-05-25 14524, 2006
Shepard
does anyone here care about myspace links?
2006-05-25 14526, 2006
catmo
:)
2006-05-25 14526, 2006
nikki_
ah good
2006-05-25 14527, 2006
warp
nikki_: oh, i currently just choose to live with it :) -- or if it's an album which doesn't have weird unicode, I sometimes go in afterwards and change them back.
I'm not being oversensitive, i'm giving 'standart coder repsonce to whining'
2006-05-25 14525, 2006
gecks
i almost added all the credits to a few trail of dead albums...ARs came a long way since i last checked. just need a way of doing track ranges and then they're pretty good, bar the process to add more instruments/roles :)
2006-05-25 14532, 2006
wolfsong13
i personally don't think spliting them up when you have a tree is logical
aka: where you syour alternate treeless wkipage for the instruments tree
2006-05-25 14517, 2006
nikki_
I can't think of a better way of doing it, the list is huge and nothing is going to make it quick to navigate by hand
2006-05-25 14535, 2006
wolfsong13
why introduce a whole different document when we can build on all the work you've done?
2006-05-25 14540, 2006
Shepard
who wanted those links again? :)
2006-05-25 14541, 2006
wolfsong13
that's not logical either
2006-05-25 14544, 2006
ojnkpjg
not me
2006-05-25 14502, 2006
ojnkpjg
i don't really care either way about the myspace stuff
2006-05-25 14504, 2006
nikki_
me, to stop people from adding them as everything under the sun
2006-05-25 14504, 2006
micr0c0sm joined the channel
2006-05-25 14508, 2006
nikki_
but that's about it
2006-05-25 14552, 2006
ojnkpjg
maybe we can steal pagerank from google to decide when a link is worth adding if it's not official
2006-05-25 14558, 2006
gecks
im not sure of the technicalities of it but i still think it would be better to have an annotation field for every instrument AR, so you could say "Guitar [Gibson SG]" without having to create a new instrument AR
2006-05-25 14513, 2006
catmo
perhaps
2006-05-25 14536, 2006
catmo
if you need a new instruments, just give's a ticet on mb.org/bugs btw
