nikki: afaik there ia a setting in moin to make camlecase words not show up as camel case
2006-05-04 12417, 2006
Nyght
but, thats also grounds for getting your "respect sheet" your place in the sun in musicbrainz ripped down?
2006-05-04 12425, 2006
catmo
Nyght: ding!
2006-05-04 12425, 2006
nikki_
there is!?
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
nikki_ looks
2006-05-04 12430, 2006
catmo
afaik yes!
2006-05-04 12441, 2006
catmo is nuts and turned it on
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toxickore has quit
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nikki_
catmo: but it still shows up as camel case in the wikidocs stuff :/
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
ruaok
Nyght: yea, I guess.
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
catmo
hmmmmm
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
Shepard thinks we have too many user types
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
Nyght
because then you're not helping, and building, your burning and hurting.. and that's not helpful
2006-05-04 12410, 2006
catmo
well I'd argue that for wikidoks we want default off
2006-05-04 12416, 2006
donredman
Nyght: I don't follow anymore
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
nikki_
there's "Add spaces to displayed wiki names", which doesn't work
2006-05-04 12430, 2006
Nyght
if someone starts throwing their weight around...
2006-05-04 12437, 2006
Nyght
then it's being hurtful to what's been built.
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
Nyght
it's like, this person bows down and respects you and you say now lick my feet bitch.
2006-05-04 12408, 2006
catmo
eehh
2006-05-04 12416, 2006
catmo
nyght *^_^*
2006-05-04 12424, 2006
Nyght
it's rude... the respect should be accepted with a humbleness and an appreciation... and if it's not, it's destructive and therefore they're not helping any more.,
2006-05-04 12434, 2006
donredman
hmm, yes. That's a problem (if you don't like feet, that is ;-) )
2006-05-04 12435, 2006
catmo
I agtee with this
2006-05-04 12449, 2006
ruaok
Nyght: oh, keep that talk up!
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
Nyght
lol donredman, it's metephorical.. something I've gotten in trouble with before. ;0)
2006-05-04 12457, 2006
ruaok
(and get your whip out)
2006-05-04 12401, 2006
catmo
Nyght: is a smart lady, I said so :)
2006-05-04 12402, 2006
Nyght
ruaok!
2006-05-04 12407, 2006
donredman
aarhg!
2006-05-04 12408, 2006
Nyght whips ruaok
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
ruaok grins sheepishly
2006-05-04 12414, 2006
Nyght
focus!!
2006-05-04 12418, 2006
ruaok
ouch! may I have anohter?
2006-05-04 12420, 2006
catmo
freaks :p
2006-05-04 12421, 2006
ruaok
sorry.
2006-05-04 12424, 2006
donredman
LOL
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
catmo
I mean it in a good way
2006-05-04 12436, 2006
catmo
freaks are the best people
2006-05-04 12438, 2006
Nyght takes it in the best of ways!
2006-05-04 12445, 2006
ruaok
ok, so back on track for a minute.
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
ruaok
what have we resolved?
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
Nyght
and sadly ruaok, I had the whip thought before you even said get your whip out.. now
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
Nyght
back to where we were
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
ruaok
my action items: post about NGS, general MB direction, picard issues.
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
donredman
it should only be used to say "you are not a MajorContributor, so shu up with your whining"
2006-05-04 12428, 2006
Nyght
so, have this "major contributor" area,. but realize you don't have to remain there. If it's abused, you will be removed.
2006-05-04 12440, 2006
yalaforge
tagger script is the short term solution, maybe together with the intuitive interface
2006-05-04 12447, 2006
ruaok
donredman: can you start the majcontrub page?
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
donredman
yup
2006-05-04 12456, 2006
Nyght
or, better donredman, become a major contributor and help us fix it!
2006-05-04 12400, 2006
ruaok
yalaforge: yes, those two go hand in hand toghther.
2006-05-04 12402, 2006
Nyght
constructive, not destructive.
2006-05-04 12410, 2006
Shepard wonders for what TS is a short term solution
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
donredman
Nyght: jes
2006-05-04 12414, 2006
Nyght
from both sides... I guess that's what I'm really trying to state.
2006-05-04 12416, 2006
ruaok
I will bind them under a greater heading of "making picard a total replacement for mb-tagger"
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
nikki_
Shepard: shutting people up
2006-05-04 12427, 2006
ojnkpjg
i don't understand what people's issues are with the picard ui
2006-05-04 12428, 2006
Shepard
ah
2006-05-04 12439, 2006
Shepard thought it's just a random feature
2006-05-04 12448, 2006
ruaok
Shepard: TS is the mediaum term soltuion for briding the gap between tagger centric users and encyclopedia users.
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
yalaforge thinks with splitting the right tree view a lot can be gained
2006-05-04 12459, 2006
ruaok
yalaforge: agreed.
2006-05-04 12414, 2006
ruaok
ojnkpjg: there are two camps. Those who grok and love pciard and those who hate it.
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
Shepard thinks the opposite but well :)
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
yalaforge should add variant 3 to the wiki page (much simpler than the other ones)
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
donredman
Shepard: currently there are "tagging" people and "encyclopedia" people. And the Tagger Script will help to make both sides happy with *what we got*.
2006-05-04 12436, 2006
ruaok
turns out the people who make donations, and thus pay our bills are the latter camp.
2006-05-04 12446, 2006
ruaok
yalaforge: PLEASE!
2006-05-04 12448, 2006
Nyght
I like picard, but, that doesn't mean it's finished in it's beta. ojnkpjg
2006-05-04 12401, 2006
yalaforge
ruaok: I'll do that tomorrow
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
ruaok
thanks!
2006-05-04 12419, 2006
ruaok
I think working on picard will be my next major project.
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
ClutchEr2 has quit
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Nyght
but.. what is picard from the "dev" and contributors thoughts. See, I took ruaok's thoughts on all music and thought it was encyclopedic.. is that incorrect of my interpretations?
2006-05-04 12408, 2006
xeophin has quit
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Nyght
picard=musicbrainz!Q
2006-05-04 12411, 2006
Nyght
geh!
2006-05-04 12435, 2006
ruaok
Nyght: not sure what you're asking
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
Shepard
Nyght: wohin? SCNR
2006-05-04 12431, 2006
Nyght
focus wise... from the developers, and the major contributors. (yes, I'm nailing it to the wall for my own mind) what is musicbrainz enduse supposed to become?
2006-05-04 12402, 2006
nikki_ finally gets shep's joke
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
Nyght
it would help with... discussions and the like. What is the major goal. what is the end product wanted to be.. where are "we" going?
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
catmo still doesn't get it
2006-05-04 12418, 2006
nikki_
catmo: geh = go
2006-05-04 12426, 2006
catmo
oh!
2006-05-04 12433, 2006
Nyght
[excerpt](3:36:10 PM) donredman: Shepard: currently there are "tagging" people and "encyclopedia" people. And the Tagger Script will help to make both sides happy with *what we got*.
2006-05-04 12434, 2006
catmo
wohin = where?
2006-05-04 12438, 2006
nikki_
so he said "where to"? or something
2006-05-04 12443, 2006
catmo
aahhh
2006-05-04 12448, 2006
catmo groks
2006-05-04 12449, 2006
Nyght
this makes me wonder... aside from the two types of people.. what does the project see themselves as?
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
Nyght
is that better?
2006-05-04 12400, 2006
catmo
oh the lovely feeling when one groks something
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
ruaok
yes.
2006-05-04 12413, 2006
yalaforge has always seen MB as an application support DB
2006-05-04 12425, 2006
yalaforge
that's what we're best in
2006-05-04 12426, 2006
catmo
I see it as both
2006-05-04 12437, 2006
catmo
but mostly.... both
2006-05-04 12441, 2006
ruaok
"MusicBrainz aims to be a comprehensive music encyclopedia, while provings tools for user to clean up their music collection"
even our old web services have been better than what others offer now (especially wikipedia)
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
catmo
oh?
2006-05-04 12426, 2006
ruaok
so, the goal should be to capture all useful knowledge about music.
2006-05-04 12458, 2006
yalaforge
just facts or more?
2006-05-04 12402, 2006
ruaok
And we should create tagging tools that allow users to flexiblity to take the MB data and extract the parts useful to them and then to organize their own music.
2006-05-04 12408, 2006
nikki_ thinks it should be just facts...
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
yalaforge too
2006-05-04 12412, 2006
ruaok
more as well.
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
dmppanda
yalaforge, nikki_: more
2006-05-04 12428, 2006
catmo still would like a 'these albums owen' type thing
2006-05-04 12429, 2006
Nyght
okay, yalaforge, and ruaok, is that basically saying the same thing?
2006-05-04 12435, 2006
ruaok
we just need to figure out how to do that right.
2006-05-04 12436, 2006
Shepard
just facts on my side
2006-05-04 12437, 2006
nikki_
dmppanda: well, I still think it should be just facts!
2006-05-04 12455, 2006
dmppanda
nikki_: a bit of humanity into data is fine
2006-05-04 12404, 2006
dmppanda
nikki_: don't you think?
2006-05-04 12406, 2006
yalaforge
MB's culture doesn't fit well for subjective data
2006-05-04 12411, 2006
catmo
common sense, like
2006-05-04 12416, 2006
ruaok
yalaforge: not yet, yes.
2006-05-04 12418, 2006
nikki_
dmppanda: no...
2006-05-04 12431, 2006
dmppanda
yalaforge: well, nothing is really totally "impartial" right?
2006-05-04 12436, 2006
ruaok
but I think things like folksonomy tagging can have a lot of positive impact on moderations.
2006-05-04 12447, 2006
dmppanda
nikki_: just a bit of warm into data doesn't hurt?
2006-05-04 12459, 2006
ruaok
for instance, if we had a working genre system, you could vote on changes that fit your interested genres.
2006-05-04 12459, 2006
nikki_
mb likes to create style guidelines for everything, we'd probably explode given too much subjective data.
2006-05-04 12404, 2006
catmo
I agree with dmppanda, better to be rounder than quare
2006-05-04 12405, 2006
ruaok
people have wanted that from day one.
2006-05-04 12422, 2006
donredman
I am very sceptical about adding folcsonomy now.
2006-05-04 12425, 2006
catmo
square
2006-05-04 12429, 2006
catmo
hmm
2006-05-04 12429, 2006
ruaok
nikki_: the key is to use a different model for subjective data.
2006-05-04 12431, 2006
yalaforge
donredman: me too
2006-05-04 12443, 2006
ruaok
donredman: oh really? what changed your mind?
2006-05-04 12443, 2006
catmo
I dunno. perhaps these tags would let it be able to subscribe to albums
2006-05-04 12454, 2006
dmppanda
nikki_, yalaforge: I've tried to stick with facts as much as I can, but eventually, when one write annotation for an album, something subjective slips in
2006-05-04 12401, 2006
ruaok
donredman: is it just timing?
2006-05-04 12401, 2006
catmo
or to tag things that needed help with work, and thus a global 'this needs work'
2006-05-04 12401, 2006
Nyght
kay, thanks yalaforge, ruaok, and shep. ;) I just wanted to be sure I had the right idea. :D
2006-05-04 12403, 2006
donredman
the state of the community is not good and folksonomy would attract tons of new newbs.
2006-05-04 12413, 2006
Shepard thinks it will overload MB
2006-05-04 12415, 2006
Shepard
right
2006-05-04 12418, 2006
ruaok
that I will agree to.
2006-05-04 12436, 2006
ruaok
we have other issues to settle down first.
2006-05-04 12440, 2006
catmo
yes. agree
2006-05-04 12444, 2006
donredman
ruaok: yes 'just' timing, but quite fundamental timing IMO
2006-05-04 12446, 2006
Shepard
large communities are always hard to handle. making them even larger and losing scope doesn't help
2006-05-04 12452, 2006
nikki_ doesn't see the point in adding another folksonomy when last.fm have one
