there are cheaper ways of buying japanese CDs than buying them from amazon.co.jp
2006-05-24 14443, 2006
MartinRudat heads off to 'Hobby Japan' a store in Melbourne, and a few other places, if he wants to buy something that originates in .jp...
2006-05-24 14404, 2006
MartinRudat wonders how melbourne compares to new youk in terms of area covered...
2006-05-24 14439, 2006
slaad
I find Melbourne to be a very flat city.
2006-05-24 14440, 2006
MartinRudat
flat? it's got a few hills here and there... not that you can spot them for all the buildings on top of them, as far as the eye can see... =)
2006-05-24 14449, 2006
slaad
I meant buildings :)
2006-05-24 14451, 2006
MartinRudat misses living in melbourne.
2006-05-24 14403, 2006
slaad
Where are you these days, MartinRudat?
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yllona
martin: NYC is quite tiny. you can walk from one end to the other quite easily in an afternoon
2006-05-24 14439, 2006
MartinRudat 's just outside of ballarat.
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slaad
Ah
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MartinRudat
yllona: you'd probably need a few days to cross melbourne on foot, I'd think.
2006-05-24 14457, 2006
yllona
most of the cities on the north eastern coast of the US are quite small area wise
2006-05-24 14423, 2006
MartinRudat misses being able to walk, or take public transport to just about any interesting spot in the city... here, I've got to drive to go anywhere... *grump*
2006-05-24 14423, 2006
yllona
washington dc, NYC (manhattan), and boston are very small compared to cities west of the mississippi river. Chicago and St. Louis a re large
2006-05-24 14453, 2006
yllona
then you'd do fine in los angeles
2006-05-24 14444, 2006
MartinRudat ponders. Adelaide had a lot more medium-sized buildings than melbourne, or so it seemed to me, rather than a km^2 of sky-scrapers, then suburbia to the horizon...
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MartinRudat blinks... how's Björk qualify as jazz?
MartinRudat is considering trying to find some jazz to listen to, to see if he can find some jazz tracks he likes...
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yllona
martin: use my personal tag radio for jazz
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yllona
or "acid jazz source" which is a little more broad
2006-05-24 14411, 2006
yllona
"jazz" is a mix of vocal and instrumental, "jazz vocal" is straight vocals, and "jazz instrumental" has no vocals
2006-05-24 14458, 2006
luks hates how last.fm player uses 25-30% of CPU
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yllona
luks, use the proxy
2006-05-24 14437, 2006
luks
hmm, proxy?
2006-05-24 14400, 2006
luks
ah, found it
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MartinRudat is looking for some jazz tracks, 'cause he want to add to the list of genres that he listens to... about the only genres of music that I actively dislike are death metal... and only because a) the growler sounds in pain, and b) I can't understand the words...
hmm, this link phase needs changing. "is a performance name for the person" - 'the person' is not needed in it
2006-05-24 14408, 2006
yllona
martin: the "acid jazz source" is for songs that have been sampled in hip-hop or R & B, or quoted in other material, either directly or as an influence
2006-05-24 14439, 2006
MartinRudat
yllona: ah, 'twas wondering how that name came about.
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Shepard
inhouseuk: why not?
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MartinRudat
"is performance name for the person/group" ?
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yllona
ah, well acid jazz, is a highly debated "genre" anyway. but let's just say that it's a more rock or pop influenced style of jazz, with out being "smooth jazz" which is just instrumemntal pop music (or muzak)
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Shepard
group is not allowed
2006-05-24 14436, 2006
inhouseuk
Shepard: because it isn't only applicable to people
2006-05-24 14437, 2006
yllona
inhouseuk: "is performance name for artist
2006-05-24 14454, 2006
yllona
wait i thought group was allowed
2006-05-24 14403, 2006
Shepard
in the current definition it is only for persons
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MartinRudat 's eyes glaze over at all the talk of which genre is what. =)
2006-05-24 14430, 2006
Nyght
You started it Martin!
2006-05-24 14452, 2006
MartinRudat
Nyght: I know. I think this is how some people who I talk at about computers must feel... =)
2006-05-24 14423, 2006
inhouseuk
Shepard: why isn't group allowed. It should be, groups can easily perform as a different name for a period of time. If groups arn't allowed, you should be allowed to create it
well this link is wrong. and I'm against using this link type for group-group ARs
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MartinRudat doesn't think there's anything in the server to stop the creation of ARs that don't follow the guidelines, apart from people going 'No, doesn't follow guideline X'...
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inhouseuk
Shepard: so what link type would you use?
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Shepard
at the moment link the band members to both and link through the annotations
for instance: "This is to ensure that people know which artist a relationship should use, and that they don't have to duplicate relationships. With a person, the general rule is that when in doubt, relationships should use the LegalName."
2006-05-24 14429, 2006
inhouseuk
this implies that the legal name should be a member of a group. When in practice the performace name is used
2006-05-24 14455, 2006
yllona
and bands do have "legal nanmes"
2006-05-24 14401, 2006
yllona
*"legal names"
2006-05-24 14421, 2006
MartinRudat
Freddy Mercury isn't a member of Queen?
2006-05-24 14404, 2006
MartinRudat
hmm... 'when in doubt'? I suppose that would cover it...
2006-05-24 14415, 2006
yllona
martin: he was until he died
2006-05-24 14421, 2006
inhouseuk
MartinRudat: I'm more refering to Sting being a member if the Police
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inhouseuk
of
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inhouseuk
I also disagree with "Instead, we should probably merge the two artists, with "The Jacksons" becoming an alias of "The Jackson 5". This will have the unfortunate side-effect of obliterating information about which albums were credited as "The Jacksons" and which as "The Jackson 5"."
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inhouseuk
It is completely wrong to merge The Jacksons and The Jackson 5
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yllona
those are two diffrent bands wwith different personnel
2006-05-24 14405, 2006
inhouseuk
exactly
2006-05-24 14417, 2006
Shepard
<inhouseuk> this implies that the legal name should be a member of a group. When in practice the performace name is used <- it does not imply this in my eyes. and it's not only in practice that the performance name is used but there's also a guideline
in that case it should say there are exceptions such as ..... giving a link to the relevent documentation. newbies would read that document and not know the difference
2006-05-24 14454, 2006
Shepard
if it should so then edit the page :)
2006-05-24 14412, 2006
inhouseuk
in fact a lot of the guidelines are confusing for inexperienced users
2006-05-24 14411, 2006
MartinRudat
Shepard: why's it stupid?
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Shepard
MartinRudat: because the guideline simply says "always use the performance name" and lets no room for exceptions. in fact there are lots of exceptions though
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inhouseuk
ah! so it's another document that needs some work :)
2006-05-24 14435, 2006
Shepard
for example if someone performed under their legal name in a band and then started a solo career under a performance name - in my eyes we should link the legal name to the band then
2006-05-24 14420, 2006
Shepard
the performance name should have some relation to the band
2006-05-24 14440, 2006
inhouseuk
wouldn't the date at which they started to use the performance name take that into account
2006-05-24 14450, 2006
Shepard
everyone would say Bono of U2, so this is a clear case
2006-05-24 14416, 2006
MartinRudat thinks it aught to be something along the lines of 'performance name used as part of band'
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yllona
Shepard: i agree, this will greatly clarify DJs as example
2006-05-24 14415, 2006
Shepard
well you could either change the wording of the guideline - or abolish it. in my eyes it is too restrictive - it should be decided anew for every case
2006-05-24 14430, 2006
inhouseuk
if they only performed as "performance name" after the break up of the group, only the legal name would be a member of the group anyway
2006-05-24 14431, 2006
yllona
DJs seem to change perforrmance names at the drop of a hat (or mic)
2006-05-24 14451, 2006
nikki_ has used legal names for members of bands...
2006-05-24 14451, 2006
Shepard
but I said all that when it was created so I guess noone will listen to me now :)
MartinRudat thinks that whatever name will cause the least number of people to complain, but it's Freddy Mercury, not Farrokh Bulsara! is the name to use...
2006-05-24 14402, 2006
inhouseuk
the name used in the memberofgroup should be the one they are known as whilst in the group
2006-05-24 14428, 2006
Shepard
inhouseuk: and bands performing under other names at the same time are just one problem. there are bands that change their name for different reasons (don't like the old one any more, legal issues, ...) - sometimes combined with line-up changes sometimes not
2006-05-24 14402, 2006
inhouseuk
true
2006-05-24 14403, 2006
MartinRudat
Jefferson Airplane vs Jefferson Starship ?
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yllona
martin: diffrent personnel
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Shepard
and for those the performance relationship type doesn't work anyways
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MartinRudat
ah. kinda wondered about that.
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MartinRudat
...but never enough to actually go find out.
2006-05-24 14406, 2006
inhouseuk
Shepard: combining the performance name relationship with dates would handle most of it. Even if they used different names at the same time
2006-05-24 14417, 2006
MartinRudat idly wonders if there are any mod-files in MB...
2006-05-24 14432, 2006
inhouseuk
mod-files?
2006-05-24 14419, 2006
MartinRudat
inhouseuk: amiga module files, and other related formats, ..mod s3m .stm .xm .it ...
2006-05-24 14435, 2006
inhouseuk
ah
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inhouseuk doesn't know those
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MartinRudat
there are some blasphemers who convert them into .wav, and tag 'em, so... =)
intgr: apparently that AR type should only be used for 'people'. I think it is actually a perfect use for it on that group. It isn't two groups, it's one that used a shortened name after the first few years
wolfsong: he was here a little earlier and he normally responds to mail
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MartinRudat
he was on a couple of hours back, but I dunno if he's 'in' regularly...
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wolfsong[work]
inhouseuk: thanks
2006-05-24 14419, 2006
inhouseuk
Shepard: the group alias situation could be handled with a performance AR in both directions
2006-05-24 14413, 2006
inhouseuk
or have a different AR type of "Is a different name for"
2006-05-24 14418, 2006
Shepard
for the example of a group shortening their name after some years - it would sound very strange to use "performs as" there because it wasn't at the same time
