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      • luks
        the problem is that there are actually two TRM database

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      • luks
        one on the TRM server to do fingerpring->TRM matches

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      • luks
        another one is the MB database to do TRM->track matches

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      • luks
        *two TRM databases

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      • scarfboy
        okay

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      • scarfboy
        so it's the latter I was thinking about, I guess.

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      • luks
        anyway, TRM is a dead technology :)

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      • luks
        no need to thing about it

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      • luks
        *think

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      • scarfboy
        Well, if there's no replacement but there is improvement possible, thinking may be useful

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      • scarfboy
        I was reading http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/2005/09/gene…

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      • scarfboy
        Particularly the "we prune the database where we throw out the least used TRMs, which implicitly discards work that our users have done. "

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      • scarfboy
        It's just not clear to me which of the two databases is being referred to here

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      • scarfboy
        If it's the TRM->track one I think there's improvement possible

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      • luks
        nope, it's the fingerpring->TRM one

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      • scarfboy
        So what does it mean, then?

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      • luks
        that's the one that has to store all the data in the memory

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      • scarfboy
        New files will generate slower?

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      • scarfboy
        New files won't generate at all?

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      • scarfboy
        What's being discarded?

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      • luks
        it will generate a new TRMs for the same files

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      • scarfboy
        It's caching fingerprints based on lookup count?

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      • luks
        dunno

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      • scarfboy
        If so, all that is is a speed optimisation?

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      • scarfboy
        and no work is being discarded

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      • scarfboy
        the wording just suggests it was the trm->track database...

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      • scarfboy
        and that less usual trms are pruned from MBZ at all

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      • scarfboy
        to keep the memory size of it (index, presumably) under 2GB

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      • scarfboy
        and then the search space reduction would apply.

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      • scarfboy
        Well, whatever

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      • luks
        here you can see nicely the pruning - http://stats.musicbrainz.org/mrtg/bender.cgi?log=…

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      • scarfboy
        pretty

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      • Mudcrow
        TRM is pretty crap, really annoying when it cant match a mp3 thats named exactly the same as a track in the db, but decides its a completely different track

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      • scarfboy
        but what is it referring to?

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      • scarfboy
        Named doesn't matter if it's not acoustically the same

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      • scarfboy
        that's its point

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      • scarfboy
        TRM's not ideal but not bad

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      • scarfboy
        It was only ever a fuzzy helping tool

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      • luks
        it's size of the database at the trm server

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      • scarfboy
        Only ever useful as one of those, I mean

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      • scarfboy
        Which one of the two, though?

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      • luks
        fingerprint->trm

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      • scarfboy
        so it was talking about the one you have no control over

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      • scarfboy
        meaning it's a speed optimisation?

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      • scarfboy
        meaning database trms are not being culled?

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      • scarfboy
        Still, re-lookups could be sped up

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      • scarfboy
        since they could bypass that server

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      • scarfboy
        but I need to go.

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      • Shepard
        hi

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      • luks has to go too

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      • luks
        hi Shepard

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      • luks
        bye

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      • luks has quit

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      • scarfboy has left the channel

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      • Muz{away}
        : o Two nikki's!

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      • Muz{away}
        Muz{away} is now known as mustaqila

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      • mustaqila
        Crappy reconnect stuff

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      • nikki__
        for mo!

        • 2006-03-04 06343, 2006

      • nikki__
        nikki__ is now known as nikkitrain

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      • nikkitrain
        two nikkis 'cause lag over ssh is too much for one

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      • nikkitrain
        be more active, dammit!

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      • Shepard
        aye sir!

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      • nikkitrain
        sir?

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      • Shepard
        madam if you prefer :P

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      • Shepard
        doesn't sound as authoritarian though

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      • nikkitrain
        I do :P

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      • nikkitrain
        oh well.

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      • brunft
        can anyone confirm, that google is down?

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      • Shepard
        no

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      • brunft
        hmm strange

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      • Shepard
        that would be like the end of the internet, no?

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      • nikkitrain
        I get redirected to google.se

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      • nikkitrain
        eeeeek tunnel

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      • nikkitrain
        it's been down before

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      • Shepard
        you'll never know

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      • brunft
        that would be the start of the third world war?

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      • brunft
        never experienced that before ...

        • 2006-03-04 06353, 2006

      • brunft
        unreachable in salzburg, confirmed by a friend of mine

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      • nikkitrain
        google.se and google.co.uk work

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      • nikkitrain
        and google.com redirects me to google.se

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      • nikkitrain
        stupid thing

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      • nikkitrain
        I'm nowhere near sweden

        • 2006-03-04 06330, 2006

      • nikkitrain
        nor do I speak swedish

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      • Shepard
        it redirects me to google.de as always

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      • Shepard
        *sigh*

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      • nikkitrain
        I usually get google.co.uk

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      • nikkitrain
        why sigh?

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      • nikkitrain
        reminds me of when a friend was using something and it thought he was in brazil.

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      • nikkitrain
        he was in london...

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      • nikkitrain
        wrong hemisphere, for a start.

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      • juhae
        maybe you have so many brazilian immigrants in london already... ;)

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      • nikkitrain
        nah

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      • Shepard
        sigh because I get different search results here than I would in the US for example

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      • Shepard
        but I want to decide what results I get!

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      • nikkitrain
        portuguese isn't one of the languages I see a lot of in london

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      • nikkitrain
        me too...

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      • Shepard
        wb luks

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      • nikkitrain has quit

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      • brunft has quit

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      • nikkitrain has to go now

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      • nikkitrain has quit

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      • Shepard
        *g*

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      • chocomo
        nikkitrain!!!!!

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      • chocomo
        awww

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      • chocomo
        well it was fun she did it anyway ^^

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      • chocomo is away: støvesugerspisedusj

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      • chocomo
        tele you lazy ass: i've doen this strauss album, onlt to find it was a dupe: merge here http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4375420

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      • nikki_ has quit

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      • luks has quit

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      • GURT has quit

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      • SenRepus
        is it OK that some guy is using .de for amazon links only because they are probably from germany

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      • Knio has quit

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      • Knio joined the channel

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      • SenRepus
        not because the albums are german or only on the german amazon or something

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      • Shepard
        I do it all the time :)

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      • SenRepus
        ok

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      • Shepard
        if it's a german label for example

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      • juhae
        whee http://www.sivari.org/~quaz/tmp/boom2.jpg

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      • SenRepus
        uh

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      • SenRepus
        music isnt related to germany in anyway whatsoever

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      • SenRepus
        you have to import the music to buy it in germany

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      • Shepard
        juhae: hm?

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      • Shepard
        sen: then I wouldn't use it

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      • juhae
        Shepard: I just noticed fireworks outside and rushed to take a couple of pics ;)

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      • Shepard
        ohh

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      • SenRepus
        well you decide then

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      • SenRepus
        they are at weird al

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      • SenRepus
        i dont care and havent voted

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      • Shepard
        so do I

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      • Shepard
        hey yllona

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      • yllona
        hello shep, what's new?

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      • Shepard
        I wondered if you are a fan of Bill Withers

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      • Shepard
        it's not very sorted in the db so if you know well about him, you could take a look at it :)

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      • yllona
        i adore bill withers, esp the stuff from the 60's & 70's. the '80s stuff is kinda weak

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      • yllona
        yeah, i can do that, let me bookmark

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      • Shepard
        thanks

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      • yllona
        yikes, okay.

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      • yllona
        for CDs that contain to full albums, did we decide those are official or compilations?

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      • Shepard
        official or compilations? that's not exclusive, it's two different types of attributes in MB

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      • yllona
        yeah, this is what i meant tho: http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=1…