g0llum: will do. i'm not on mb-users list though, only mb-style. i'll spread the word on irc too. only i think it should be decided how we're gonna reorganize CSG before everyone starts screaming out suggestions
2006-03-29 08800, 2006
GURT
k i'm just double checking
2006-03-29 08805, 2006
mhall
GURT: it's like /debian but with / instead of /debian
2006-03-29 08828, 2006
mhall
BGreeNZ: debian probably has the most intense QA of anybody I ever heard of
2006-03-29 08803, 2006
BGreeNZ
My introduction to Debian was when I purchased LindowsOS 4
2006-03-29 08830, 2006
g0llum
nechto13: clutcher2 might know who we could take to directly and ask for involvement. but posting to the mailing list won't hurt either
2006-03-29 08833, 2006
luks
i'm not sure if i should bug MusicIP devs about this or fix it myself :/
2006-03-29 08800, 2006
BGreeNZ
I didn't want to pay for "Click 'n' Run", so I learned how to pull packages in through apt
2006-03-29 08807, 2006
mhall
BGreeNZ: sadly the high standards of d.org don't always trickle down to the other distros
2006-03-29 08815, 2006
GURT
BGreeNZ: oh? did you install Lindows, realized you got ripped off and installed free Debian instead?
2006-03-29 08842, 2006
BGreeNZ
GURT: Yeah, something like that
2006-03-29 08836, 2006
nechto13 throws some yes votes GURT's way after some consideration
2006-03-29 08843, 2006
GURT
;)
2006-03-29 08809, 2006
GURT
oh shit.. menu entry and everything
2006-03-29 08812, 2006
BGreeNZ
Then, I had just gotten Debian Woody installed on a desktop (netinstall through 56K modem), and about a week later Sarge was released :(
2006-03-29 08816, 2006
GURT
luks, i could kiss you :D
2006-03-29 08822, 2006
luks
hehe
2006-03-29 08832, 2006
GURT
so THIS is what picard looks like
2006-03-29 08857, 2006
mhall tries MB Tagger using vmware and Samba
2006-03-29 08852, 2006
BGreeNZ
Unfortunately, when I tried to upgrade to Sarge, half of X-windows / KDE / Gnome broke :(
2006-03-29 08825, 2006
MBChatLogger
Down with DRM!
2006-03-29 08825, 2006
GURT
i switched to linux this past summer after a CD with DRM pretty much hosed my computer
2006-03-29 08828, 2006
mhall
BGreeNZ: oof
2006-03-29 08850, 2006
BGreeNZ
DRM?
2006-03-29 08804, 2006
GURT
yeah
2006-03-29 08808, 2006
inhouseuk
digital rights management
2006-03-29 08816, 2006
mhall
GURT: I switched after Windows Server 2003 SP1 fried my encrypted disk driver and I had to decrypt 200GB of stuff using fucking DOS.
GURT: How can any *Compact Disc* have DRM? Unless, of course, you are confusing those 5-inch shiny plastic round things that look like CDs with real CDs
BGreeNZ: well technically DRM discs are not allowed to be called compact discs
2006-03-29 08857, 2006
BGreeNZ
Yes, that is precisely my point
2006-03-29 08803, 2006
mhall
BGreeNZ: Philips went psycho because they think it's all crazy (which it is) so they revoked permission to call them CDs since they don't follow the $COLOR Book spec
2006-03-29 08825, 2006
BGreeNZ
I know
2006-03-29 08828, 2006
mhall
BGreeNZ: but the problem is, of course, once a term enters pop culture, there's not much to be done
2006-03-29 08811, 2006
inhouseuk
it was just permission to use the CD logo that was revoked
2006-03-29 08841, 2006
mhall
inhouseuk: yes, that's all there was *to* revoke
2006-03-29 08843, 2006
BGreeNZ
CD = ("Compact" | "Corrupt") "Disc" ?
2006-03-29 08824, 2006
GURT
both discs have the compact disc logo on them
2006-03-29 08833, 2006
mhall
!
2006-03-29 08840, 2006
mhall
!
2006-03-29 08849, 2006
BGreeNZ
They are not even allowed to *call* them "compact discs" or "CDs", as they intentionally break the standard
2006-03-29 08856, 2006
GURT
so i went through sonys little settlement thing last night
2006-03-29 08801, 2006
BGreeNZ
Notice how all the new double-disc jewel cases are embossed with "2DISC" instead of "2CD"
2006-03-29 08805, 2006
GURT
for one album they offered me a digital download
2006-03-29 08821, 2006
GURT
for the other they offered a digital download of the album and a choice of another album
2006-03-29 08855, 2006
GURT
but i cant get any of the downloads untill i .. either send them the cd, a reciept, or cut the UPC symbol off of the cover art
2006-03-29 08832, 2006
GURT
so i have to destroy my lossless media in exchange for lossy mp3s
2006-03-29 08833, 2006
mhall
dipshits
2006-03-29 08805, 2006
GURT
and the selction for the albums was slim
2006-03-29 08810, 2006
GURT
the 'free' albums
2006-03-29 08844, 2006
BGreeNZ
GURT: Just get a CD or DVD drive that cleanly reads the corrupted disc.
2006-03-29 08806, 2006
GURT
oh i do now
2006-03-29 08818, 2006
GURT
it's just the principal
2006-03-29 08858, 2006
BGreeNZ
The DVD drive in this computer has flawlessly extracted about 3 "Copy Controlled" discs
2006-03-29 08828, 2006
BGreeNZ
I don't have any more to try it out with (fortunately)
2006-03-29 08825, 2006
GURT
mine were Dave Matthews Band - Stand Up and My Morning Jacket - Z
2006-03-29 08812, 2006
BGreeNZ
Of course, the first thing I did with one of them was to begin distributing it using my PTP. EMI screws me, I screw EMI :)
2006-03-29 08828, 2006
mhall
BGreeNZ: :-D
2006-03-29 08831, 2006
BGreeNZ
Seems fair to me...
2006-03-29 08854, 2006
nechto13
it's obvious by now, but profits have replaced principals for corporations a long time ago. in this case it's not profit, but minimization of losses that drives sony's policy though
2006-03-29 08817, 2006
nechto13
what's PTP? p2p?
2006-03-29 08824, 2006
mhall
maximize profit, minimize loss, whatever you do, interfere with FOSS
2006-03-29 08827, 2006
BGreeNZ
Peer to Peer
2006-03-29 08820, 2006
mhall
anyways, one of my professors that teaches our computer ethics course believes in essentially unfettered capitalism, where trade secrets, patents, and copyrights can be used to profit to an unlimited degree
2006-03-29 08846, 2006
mhall
and i constantly attempt to point out that capitalism doesn't work without the rule of law and a sense of social responsibility to society
