#musicbrainz

the AR link points to the MusicMoz entry, which doesn't contain any direct data and the links provided don't go to any valid pages

should we keep musicmoz links where they aren't giving any data of value?

it was the server ghost!

can you have both the ARs "was member of" and "did vocal support for"?

or do i need yo use "performs vocal" on each track?

yllona: mo was asking for that the other day, but didn't get much in the way of support...

ah, i missed it.

wasn't here, or i would have responded

you can link vocal performance to a whole album

what's the problem?

no problem, just a question. can i have two relationships at teh album level for chaka khan: "member of" and "performs vocal support"

member of would be at the artist level

there is neither "member of" nor "support" at the album level

mo: what's bogus about the name "Echoes of an Era"

yllona: the sortname was wrong

sheep: sorry, i meant group/band level

I'm not listening to that nick :)

ah the sort name, got it.

"support" is a person--person relationship

but well, read the docs

shep: sorry again, need to switch to speech-to-text, having bad day with typing

shep: okay will do, this is my first time seeing the AR, bee away for a bit

jup it's not so old

okay shep, one more question. according to the docs is should use collaboration for this relationship, because there's only one album released -- except they've performed together live, and on other albums released under other names

so is it still a collaboration? or" member of"

can't tell, don't know the case

okay.

i'll use collab, until some "live" bootlegs show up on MB

is it for the Echos of an Era?

yes.

who collaborated there?

chaka kahn, stanley clarke, chick corea, freddie hubbard, joe henderson, lennie white

it's basically "return to forever" with chaka khan on vocals and joe henderson on sax.

sounds ok

*lenny white

the relationship or the album? :) the album is *really* good

the relationship

'k

but then there's a collab for Rufus & chaka khan and they recorded multiple albums... so what's the deal?

does it have a name?

good morning, afternoon, evening etc.

time-of-day!

shep: the band "rufus & chaka khan"?

yes

well if it's called like that then it's a collaboration

i'd say she was a member, was also "rufus featuring chaka kahn"

our old definition was that it's only a collaboration if they worked together for a longer time, but that's what changed with SG5DR

I believe that they are already i the database as a group ... they recorded under the dual name for many years

but i'll go with collb, if that's the official deal.

saxpoet: yep, like 10-12 years (or more).

kinda like crosby stills nash & young

or hamilton, joe frank, and reynolds

yes, then rufus had 5 or six albums without chaka too.

i think the "official" breakup was '83, only to record together again :)

those memphis folks never *really* break up :)

I have some more server weirdness to report today ... using both MSIE and Netscape

I accomplished a freedb import earlier today ... and now every time I start another, no matter what i enter into the field for caategory and number, the ld one pops up. so I continued and abandoned when given the opportunity, but it still happens

that sounds like browser auto completion

two different browsers

do you mean that even if you enter a different cat/id, the same album comes up?

yes

so I closed netscape and went to MSIE to make sure that autocomplete of a hung cookie was not the problem... and got the same result

Hmm, strange. Do you have a proxy set on the browsers?

yes ... think it is the problem?

I installed an accellerator proxy a week or so ago

possibly, can you take out the proxy entry and try again

you guys are good! I stopped the proxy and the import started with no problem!!

:)

that wazs probably the source of my login problem yesterday too

ty again ...

dies anyone know the german pop band VSOP? (not to be confused with the legendary jazz band V.S.O.P)

FUCK!

The $500 donation we got was probably fraudulent. Crap. Bummer. :-(

:-(

:O

the bank balance was looking all nice and happy after that. oh well.

wankers all around the planet.

I could understand somebody using a paypal account fraudulently to purchase goods or services. But, donating to a non-profit?

unless it was for revenge to empty the real holders account

Maybe the "nag" *really* annoyed them :-)

inhouseuk: agreed. its very silly.

last time someone disputed a $5 donation, I spent a bunch of time stating my side of the case.

then paypal told me fuck you and charged me a $10 resolution fee on top of that.

if there was an alternative to paypal, I'd take it in a second.

ruaok, you might want to investigate worldpay - http://www.worldpay.com/usa/

thanks for the tip inhouseuk

djce: the mail issues on catbus: simply ignore catbus for now.

one company I was doing some work for are using them for credit card processing

sure

once lingling is up to speed, I will reinstall catbus with dapper

what's dapper?

the april release of ubuntu

I've become a real fan of ubuntu server.

ah

the best bare bones install. :)

Dapper Drake ain't it?

Hmmmm

I've become a big fan of my "find-unused-dpkg" script.

Excellent way to de-crap a server :-)

yup. my preferred way right now is to install new OSes.

:-)

Yeah, but even new OSes are often bundled with crap.

Even if you ask for nothing.

And even if not, it's all too easy to gradually accumulate packages that you then have no idea if you need or not.

agreed.

come to think of it, I will run your script on a clean install of breezy badger

I'd be interested to see what it comes up with.

Just out of interest, the first version of that script was for rpm, not dpkg.

djce: url to the script?

Most of our Red Hat servers had approx 600-700 packages.

After "decrapping", it's typically 200 or so.

tru: I'll upload it somewhere shortly.

djce do you have a dpkg version?

sure.

Gimme two minutes...

ok ten minutes then. http://djce.org.uk/utils

all feedback welcomed :-)

hmmm CPAN can't find AptPkg::Cache

i /Apt/

grrr

It's an apt package.

apt-get install libapt-dpkg-perl IIRC

libapt-pkg-perl

yup

djce: first piece of feedback. It should complain about not finding the conf file BEFORE scanning the packages

ok

Found 111 unwanted packages

shep: you there?

Based on /my/ config though presumably? Unless you had a chance to customise it already.

yes, your config.

yllona: yes

shep: can you help me with this? an album in the wrong place (again). There is a Euro band VSOP, and the jazz band V.S.O.P

VSOP: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/3cd9f235-ff5e-447...

V.S.O.P.: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/123e4002-2ad3-433...

not to forget http://musicbrainz.org/artist/71ec4273-96b9-4d6... ;)

i think this album: needs to be moved, to VSOP (euro pop band)... it's certainly not Herbie hancock and Tony Williams :)

This is the album: http://musicbrainz.org/album/c32c5076-997e-4693...