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      • thedcm
        yes this plz: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5554370

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      • dmp_panda
        why should I? it's asked in a rude way and the only proof you add is a link to AMZ, and I disdain AMZ as their data is horrible.

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      • cparker
        voted no, as well. it's a silly mod, really.

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      • dholmes
        Ditto

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      • tru
        no because it's a silly mod.

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      • thedcm
        fuck you

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      • thedcm
        you guys are silly mods

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      • dmp_panda
        some random googling: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-09/2006… & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thedcm

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      • dholmes
        ...

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      • dholmes
        I try not to scare off new users too quickly, but in this case it might be for the best...

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      • dmp_panda
        that does it

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      • dholmes
        yikes

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      • dmp_panda
        ok.

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      • dmp_panda
        I never encountered that

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      • dmp_panda
        I must say my guts says... I won't say it :)

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      • dmp_panda
        please refrain from answering it

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      • BrianG
        ?

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      • dmp_panda
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5554370

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      • dmp_panda
        I guess not feeding it is the thing to do

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      • inhouseuk nods

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      • dmp_panda
        I'm off. It's gsfrlnksdlnkswbdfx*$-"'àçè_çà-". See ya later people ;)

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      • dholmes
        I kinda feel sorry for him

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      • dholmes
        I don't imagine somebody like that could ever interact with others in a particularly functional way

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      • BrianG
        this is ridiculous really.. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5542019

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      • flamingcow
        BrianG: for once, i think you apply the superlative correctly

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      • dholmes
        Y'know, we could have this conversation here rather than in the notes to that edit ;)

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      • Freso
        dholmes: But that's not fun.

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      • Freso
        dholmes: And if the conversation is related to the edit, it might be nice for future reference to have it there.

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      • dholmes
        I suppose so

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      • dholmes
        The edit does already link to today's chat log

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      • BrianG
        no it dosen't

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      • dholmes
        Er, yesterday's, I guess. Nevermind ;)

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      • BrianG
        :P

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      • BrianG
        which took place 3 days after the edit was oepend.

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      • Freso
        The chat logs might get moved and/or lost - the notes are more likely to stick to the edit, as long as that is archived.

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      • dholmes
        Okay

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      • BrianG
        either way

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      • BrianG
        it's a dumb reason to vote no.

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      • dholmes
        I suppose the mailing lists would be best, really

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      • Freso
        But, hey, I'm not an oldie here, and this is just my oppinion. :)

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      • BrianG
        no one seemed to have a problem with what he said when he said it.

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      • dholmes
        That's probably because idiots abound on IRC, and everybody's used to somebody coming in and saying something like that

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      • dholmes
        Though I guess it's sort of rare in this channel...

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      • dholmes
        Besides, he does have a right to say what he wants on IRC, as flamingcow pointed out, so long as he's not breaking FreeNode's rules

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      • dholmes
        Though #musicbrainz also has every right to ban him from the channel

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      • dholmes
        Not to mention from MusicBrainz itself

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      • Freso
        What edit are we talking about, anyway?

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      • dholmes
        haha

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      • flamingcow
        i just argue that people should have thicker skins, when it come down to it

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      • dholmes
        Oh, sure

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      • BrianG
        flamingcow: agreed.

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      • BrianG
        things like that, if you keep making it an issue, it will always be an issue

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      • dholmes
        I'm not offended by him, I just don't think MB should be afraid to ban people like him if they cause a ruckus

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      • dholmes
        It looks like he's not gonna stick around anyways though

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      • BrianG
        the rukus isn't coming from him though

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      • dholmes
        Well, it was continued by others, but he was the one in the wrong

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      • dholmes
        Freso, http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2006/2006-09/2006…

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      • BrianG
        but what he said/did has nothing to do with the edit

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      • dholmes
        Absolutely

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      • dholmes
        I agree it made no sense to downvote the edit

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      • dholmes
        Freso, then, http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5554370 and now http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=5542019

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      • dholmes is loopy, btw, if that wasn't clear

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      • flamingcow
        banning makes no sense, either

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      • flamingcow
        people who get offended by this stupid stuff should just deal

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      • dholmes
        I don't think that's a very effective way to maintain a community

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      • dholmes
        If you were, say, running a store, and one customer called another a "nigger piece of shit", wouldn't you kick that person out?

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      • flamingcow
        nope

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      • dholmes
        That's... interesting.

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      • dholmes
        I suspect you're in the minority with that viewpoint, though.

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      • BrianG
        i'd probably say something

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      • BrianG
        but if they were buying my junk i'm not going to make them not buy m y junk

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      • dholmes
        BrianG, even at the expense of the other person?

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      • BrianG
        depends what the other person is buying i guess

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      • flamingcow
        to take offense is the choice of the receiver

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      • dholmes
        That's true

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      • juhae
        Hmm.

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      • dholmes
        That doesn't mean it's unreasonable for the community to reject such attitudes, though

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      • BrianG
        reject all you want, but do it without destroying the store.

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      • dholmes
        Sure

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      • dholmes
        But I think the potential damage to MusicBrainz by allowing such people to stay would be much greater than the potential damage from kicking them out

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      • dholmes
        Note that I'm not saying MB needs to do anything about thedcm specifically; I doubt we'll even see him again

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      • juhae
        I suggest waiting a few mods more to see if he's a new mikeroach or not

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      • juhae
        before rushing into any conclusions

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      • dholmes
        Certainly

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      • dholmes
        I don't think there should be any rush to ban anybody

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      • dholmes
        I just don't think it's unreasonable to ban somebody if they're causing a serious disruption to the community

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      • Freso
        dholmes: What if the other person doesn't seem to be offended at all?

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      • BrianG
        it's so serious that no one had a problem until they googled his name and saw something he said.

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      • dholmes
        Then I don't see a problem

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      • Freso
        dholmes: (Re: your store scenario.)

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      • dholmes
        Oh

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      • dholmes
        In that case he'd have to go either way

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      • dholmes
        Because entire communities react to that sort of thing

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      • dholmes
        Well, I guess it depends if they're causing a scene

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      • dholmes
        If somebody was shouting racist things in, say, a large supermarket, they'd have to kick them out no matter what, because if they don't they risk losing far more customers

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      • dholmes
        If it was just one person speaking to another and the other didn't seem to have a problem with it, then I'd just ask them to stop

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      • Freso
        I'd never kick someone out because of fear of losing customers. I'd be more than happy to kick someone out if they offended someone else without just or reason.

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      • BrianG
        who cares what someone said in a store 24 hours ago?

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      • dholmes
        Freso, if you aren't afraid of losing customers, you wouldn't stay in business for very long ;)

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      • BrianG
        why stand around the store saying "someone said suchandsuch here yesterday"?

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      • BrianG
        do something better with your time

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      • dholmes
        Sure, if it's just yesterday

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      • dholmes
        But that's up to the customer being offended

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      • Freso
        dholmes: Well, I never intended to open a store in the first place. :) I just think some ideals are not worth giving up just to please the capitalistic system.

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      • dholmes
        That is a pretty unusual ideal

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      • dholmes
        But whatever floats your boat

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      • BrianG
        yeah.. whatever :)

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      • Freso
        dholmes: Why?

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      • Freso
        dholmes: Read what I said again?

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      • Freso
        "I'd never kick someone out because of fear of losing customers. I'd be more than happy to kick someone out if they offended someone else without just or reason."

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      • Freso
        Esp. the "I'd be more than happy ..." part.

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      • dholmes
        Okay

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      • Freso
        dholmes: I didnae say I wouldn't kick out customers who behave wrongly, I just don't want to base it on fear of losing customers, but rather on morale and ethics.

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      • dholmes
        And that's great

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      • Freso
        Okat, thedcm in the chat didn't seem to be so bad, apart from the one message from the URI given before.

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      • dholmes
        ersonally said he was offended by the one message

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      • dholmes
        I do think it would be a good idea for there to be some sort of understanding where the line should be drawn, though

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      • Freso
        dholmes: I wouldn't ban him before talking to him, asking him, about it.