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      • VxJasonxV
        or look around first

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      • VxJasonxV
        thanks for the help FauxFaux

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      • VxJasonxV
        have fun doing what I'm doing

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      • VxJasonxV
        (working)

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      • srotta
        AJAX is another hype word for a set of old technologies. You can do fancy things with it, but it's nowhere near semantic web.

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      • srotta
        If you want to have an inkling of what it means, try reading Berners-Lee's papers.

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      • srotta
        And holler if that makes any sense :D

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      • VxJasonxV
        the names (Berners-Lee) sounds familiar

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      • srotta
        Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of WWW.

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      • srotta
        Head of W3C and so on.

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      • FauxFaux
        Bring on <canvas /> based sites.

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      • srotta
        Semantic web is a great theory, but it bases on notion of defining everything. Good luck trying that.

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      • VxJasonxV
        oh, it's one name?

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      • VxJasonxV
        oops

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      • VxJasonxV
        heh, canvas

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      • VxJasonxV
        /another/ thing I still need to learn

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      • FauxFaux
        VxJasonxV: I take it you've seen the canvas demo? :)

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      • FauxFaux
        (http://www.abrahamjoffe.com.au/ben/canvascape/)

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      • chefkoch_Zzz
        chefkoch_Zzz is now known as chefkoch

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      • Shepard`
        Shepard` is now known as Shepard

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      • Muz
        Wow, I found an interesting bug in Picard

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      • Muz
        Mashing your hand into your keyboard as you lift yourself up from slouching in your chair causes it to crash

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      • FauxFaux
        Heheh, ticket!

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      • FauxFaux
        (We want photos)

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      • Muz
        Photos of me mashing my hand into the keyboard?

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      • FauxFaux
        Yes! \o/

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      • Muz
        ...

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      • Muz
        Oh, Picard doesn't seem to respect my left handed mouse cursors either

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      • FauxFaux
        It's one of those fetishes that makes almost as much sense as http://www.carstuckgirls.com/ [probably nsfw, but so horrendously funny].

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      • Muz
        Hahah

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      • chefkoch
        hey guys is there a special guideline how to handel the "interlude" in some track titles

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      • Shepard
        no

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      • Shepard
        only if it has a sub title ;)

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      • chefkoch
        if the interlude is a subtitle?

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      • chefkoch
        like it is here http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=54…

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      • chefkoch
        so is it allowed to put the interlude and prelude in brackets her , too ?http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=545720

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      • deadchip
        VxJasonxV: what's the document type anyway?

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      • deadchip
        VxJasonxV: if it's strict, you could check on zvon.org, they are a good resource for looking specs up

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      • deadchip
        yeah umm it's XHTML 1.1

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      • Shepard
        no, I said if it *has* a sub title

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      • deadchip
        VxJasonxV: if you want to have it validate as XHTML 1.1 then make it XHTML 1.1 :P

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      • deadchip
        otherwise just declare it as HTML 4.01 ;)

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      • deadchip
        (that's not an insult, it's a reasonable recommendation)

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      • Shepard
        argh amazon is behaving strange... first it doesn't show a tracklist and then it does for one and the same link

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      • VxJasonxV
        I added an xhtml 1.1 doctype in, there's really no reason it shouldn't be html 4.01 though

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      • deadchip
        that was not the point, i wasn't saying "your HTML isn't good enough for XHTML"

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      • deadchip
        but XHTML 1.1 _is_ strict and weird in some things

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      • HairMetalAddict recommends aiming for XHTML 1.0 Transitional first. Easier to do, and easier to update to a Strict format from that point than from an HTML standard.

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      • FauxFaux
        XHTML 1.0 Basic is better. ¬_¬

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      • HairMetalAddict
        Just the way I did things before due to my slow adoption of Strict. Old site in HTML > converted to XTHML 1.0 transitional > converted to XHTML 1.0 Strict > converted to XHTML 1.1 strict ... slow transition as I was learning the standards

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      • deadchip
        yeah XHTML 1.0 transitional is less weird for sure

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      • deadchip
        lol

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      • deadchip
        HairMetalAddict: yeah

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      • enjayhch cries at last.fm's current lack of MusicBrainz IDs

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      • Muz
        We lack a liscence to import the data at the moment

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      • enjayhch
        will that be resolved soon?

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      • Muz
        No idea

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      • Muz
        Hopefully yes, but in reality it could be a different matter

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      • enjayhch
        what are you doing with the data that breaks the CC license?

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      • HairMetalAddict
        Mmm, working on a CMS (think "PHP-Nuke without the overload of security issues and bugs" :P ) that has a CSS layout and follows standards. For now, it's following XHTML 1.0 Transitional just for sake of simplicity. Once a stable release is done, I'll work on upgrading to 1.0 or 1.1 Strict.

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      • enjayhch
        oh, 'commercial'

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      • deadchip
        does anyone have a musicbrainz icon/image/logo in SVG?

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      • HairMetalAddict wonders how expensive the commercial license is that all his volunteer editing can't be used by last.fm, the other site he volunteer-moderates at

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      • FauxFaux
        FauxFaux is now known as Villf

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      • Villf
        Villf is now known as FauxFaux

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      • Prodoc
        Good afternoon

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      • Prodoc
        anyone awake in here that can speak french?

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      • enjayhch
        mais oui

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      • enjayhch
        well maybe not

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      • Muz
        Not fluently

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      • Muz
        But I can understand a fair share of it

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      • Prodoc
        http://www.disqueenfrance.com/snep/

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      • Prodoc
        can you tell me if this organization is a Performance rights organisation or a Copyright collective?

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      • Prodoc
        i.e. distribute royalties on behalf of audio and video artists

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      • Prodoc
        for performances of their copyrighted works under copyright law

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      • Prodoc
        or is it just some legal body to do the dirty work

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      • Muz
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNEP

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      • Prodoc
        aye, found that one but I'm trying to get some official confirmation

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      • Prodoc
        soem kind of proof from the official site

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      • Muz
        Well, what I can make of it is hazy as it is and I wouldn't want to commit myself to a dead straight answer

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      • Muz
        From what I can see though it would appear to be a rights union thing

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      • Prodoc
        that's what I thought as well. Wikipedia is a bit of a mess is if comes to Performance rights organisations and Copyright collectives

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      • Muz
        The thing is though, do they preach their performance rights as part of a copyright issue or not?

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      • Muz
        :P

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      • Muz
        i.e, they have the right to X royalties etc due to copyright licenses issued from the SNEP

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      • Prodoc
        I'm trying to clean it up and extend the lists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_rights_o… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_collective)

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      • Prodoc
        my initial goal was using it for MB, some Performance rights organisations allow you to search their db for tracks which can be used in MB edit disputes

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      • Prodoc
        as addition official proof

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      • Prodoc
        additional

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      • srotta
        Hmm, it's been a while since I read French, but from what I gather, SNEP is a publishers' union.

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      • Prodoc
        so kind of like the RIAA? nothing to do with the actual registering of works and collection royalties?

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      • srotta
        I don't know if they even register works in France, I'd think not :P

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      • srotta
        But the royalty collection might be the job for SDRM.

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      • Prodoc
        http://www.sacem.fr ;-)

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      • Prodoc
        SDRM? haven't got that one yet

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      • srotta
        http://www.sdrm.fr/la_sdrm/sdrm_fs.htm

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      • Prodoc
        lol: San Diego Railroad Museum

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      • Prodoc
        could you translate: 'La Sdrm regroupe actuellement les cinq associés suivants'

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      • srotta
        Hmm. "SDRM currently consists of the following five associations."

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      • srotta
        Probably not exact, but I think it catches the idea. 8)

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      • Prodoc
        from what I can tell the SDRM is about just reproduction or mechanical rights, isn't it?

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      • Prodoc
        I think it is, great, that was still a missing link in my list in France

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      • srotta
        It seems so.

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      • Prodoc
        cheers srotta

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      • deadchip
        yeah it's i think like GEMA in Germany

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      • deadchip
        there is a fee on every blank casette tape you buy

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      • deadchip
        and as of right now, i am not sure if there isn't such a fee on blank CD-Rs/DVD-R(W)s

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      • deadchip
        i think on every blank recording medium that can be used to record audio or video

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      • Prodoc
        GEMA does both performance and mechanical rights, most countries don't have one body for that

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      • Prodoc
        what is it with French sites with no English translation?!? ;-)

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      • VxJasonxV
        what is it with English sites with no French translation?

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      • Prodoc
        since English is the official world language the need for an English translation is greater than a French translation. People are expected to know at least English ;-)

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      • Prodoc
        who can give me a summary of which groups the French SGDL represents? (http://www.sgdl.org)

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      • srotta
        Bah, Chinese is more of a world language 8)

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      • deadchip
        hmm

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      • deadchip
        Prodoc: GEMA does performance rights as well?

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      • deadchip
        i thought they are doing only what you've been calling technical

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      • deadchip
        putting extra "taxes" on blank media, etc

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      • Prodoc
        yes

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      • srotta
        Prodoc: A writers' association?

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      • deadchip
        well tbh i never dealt much with GEMA nor cared about them >_>

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      • deadchip
        VxJasonxV what is it with English sites with no French translation? <-- lol

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      • Prodoc
        in the future I think it's good to include the Performance rights organisation for each release in MB. I didn't see it on sites yet. The info in printed on most releases and by storing it in MB it can be used again to e.g. contact the organistaion when you want to use a track for what ever reason

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      • Russ[work]
        PROs don't control rights for performances outside their own country

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      • Russ[work]
        with the possible exception of within the EU

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      • Prodoc
        true in a lot of cases yes, but at least it a starting lead for those who do need the info.

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      • Prodoc
        it's a close as you can get since this is info which can be copied from the cover or disc