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      • Mudcrow
        yep
      • 2006-02-15 04639, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Haha, it appears I'm ahead of RJ for the Last.fm group's leader status
      • 2006-02-15 04616, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        Drop them a line at http://www.morefmmanawatu.co.nz/91.html and they might even phone you up and talk to you on air ;-)
      • 2006-02-15 04639, 2006

      • BGreeNZ is currently listening to Shania Twain: Man, I Feel Like A Woman
      • 2006-02-15 04653, 2006

      • mustaqila
        : D
      • 2006-02-15 04657, 2006

      • mustaqila <3 Shania Twain
      • 2006-02-15 04624, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        most males do :)
      • 2006-02-15 04632, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Haha yeah
      • 2006-02-15 04607, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        Doesn't even sound all that bad at 32kbit 16kHz stereo :)
      • 2006-02-15 04614, 2006

      • warp doesn't.
      • 2006-02-15 04623, 2006

      • mustaqila :: Shania Twain - I'm Gonna Getcha Good! "Greatest Hits"
      • 2006-02-15 04648, 2006

      • yllona has quit
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      • Jetpack
        what does <3 mean ?
      • 2006-02-15 04654, 2006

      • BGreeNZ is being called to bed (00:23 Feb 16), so I better call it quits
      • 2006-02-15 04606, 2006

      • mustaqila
        It's an ASCII heart, to the same effect of "loves" : P
      • 2006-02-15 04608, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        sleep well BGreeNZ
      • 2006-02-15 04622, 2006

      • mustaqila
        G'night BGreeNZ
      • 2006-02-15 04614, 2006

      • Jetpack
        ah ok
      • 2006-02-15 04617, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        See you tomorrow (or, will that be today? :)
      • 2006-02-15 04635, 2006

      • Jetpack
        dip it low, pick it up slow
      • 2006-02-15 04640, 2006

      • mustaqila
        It'd be this evening if you awaken at sane times : P
      • 2006-02-15 04617, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        :)
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      • BGreeNZ has quit
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      • Kilu joined the channel
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      • inhouseuk shakes his head in disbelief
      • 2006-02-15 04623, 2006

      • inhouseuk
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      • Kilu
        sooo, if there is a two disc album released on certain country, and later a version where the second disc has been dropped out is released in another country, should the disc 1 of the two disc version, and the lonely disc of the another version be separate in MB?
      • 2006-02-15 04649, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        Kilu: yes. You'd have (disc 1) + (disc 2) of the original release and also an entry without any disc numbers
      • 2006-02-15 04602, 2006

      • Kilu
        good
      • 2006-02-15 04616, 2006

      • Kilu
        because I would hate to tag my one disc version as disc 1 :)
      • 2006-02-15 04600, 2006

      • Kilu
        should I add annotation when I add the album so that it wont get merged, because the tracklist is identical and poses that problem
      • 2006-02-15 04620, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        yes, I was just typing that :)
      • 2006-02-15 04628, 2006

      • Kilu
        hooray
      • 2006-02-15 04651, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        also add the annotation to the 1st disc of the double release
      • 2006-02-15 04603, 2006

      • Kilu
        alrighty
      • 2006-02-15 04625, 2006

      • LTjake joined the channel
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      • inhouseuk
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      • yalaforge thinks that will be enough :-)
      • 2006-02-15 04622, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        definately!
      • 2006-02-15 04634, 2006

      • mustaqil_
        You can never have "enough" ;)
      • 2006-02-15 04649, 2006

      • Kilu
        haha
      • 2006-02-15 04608, 2006

      • Jetpack refuses to buy any motherboard that has Trusted Platform Module bullshit in it
      • 2006-02-15 04633, 2006

      • inhouseuk too
      • 2006-02-15 04640, 2006

      • mustaqil_
        The answer lies in... Linux!
      • 2006-02-15 04611, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        the point the uk goverment is missing. -> Criminals that have something to hide wouldn't rely on the encryption in a commercial operating system. They'd use something like the open source versions of PGP
      • 2006-02-15 04615, 2006

      • Kilu
        is (unreleased) proper extratitleinformation?
      • 2006-02-15 04634, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        Kilu: yes, it can be removed
      • 2006-02-15 04606, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        or rather it can be removed, it isn't required
      • 2006-02-15 04618, 2006

      • Jetpack
        i'm more worried about not being able to use unlicenced code and data
      • 2006-02-15 04646, 2006

      • inhouseuk hates DRM
      • 2006-02-15 04636, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        if the software companies and record labels weren't so greedy, piracy would drop significantly
      • 2006-02-15 04607, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Yes... it would...
      • 2006-02-15 04610, 2006

      • mustaqila coughs
      • 2006-02-15 04632, 2006

      • Kilu
        :/ I always forget something when I add albums. like feats and stuff. annoying to edit them in afterwards
      • 2006-02-15 04602, 2006

      • yalaforge
        that happens to many users :-)
      • 2006-02-15 04621, 2006

      • yalaforge
        most don't bother to fix things though
      • 2006-02-15 04640, 2006

      • Jetpack
        the best things in life are free
      • 2006-02-15 04656, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Like STDs
      • 2006-02-15 04656, 2006

      • yalaforge
        STDs?
      • 2006-02-15 04606, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Sexually Transmitted Diseases...
      • 2006-02-15 04611, 2006

      • yalaforge
        oh :-)
      • 2006-02-15 04610, 2006

      • Kilu
        I have a server related question which sometimes annoy me. why is this that some links to albums are in a "showalbum.html?albumid=" form while others are "/album/0ceb624b-5325-4478-9f51-290dfb57fa0f.html" form?
      • 2006-02-15 04623, 2006

      • slaad has quit
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      • yalaforge
        the old showalbum form is used when you click on links on the search screen
      • 2006-02-15 04651, 2006

      • yalaforge
        the search subsystem doesn't have the UUID, just the rowid. so the old-style links are generated
      • 2006-02-15 04605, 2006

      • Kilu
        I like the old style links better because they are shorter
      • 2006-02-15 04633, 2006

      • yalaforge
        well, enjoy them while they're still here ;-)
      • 2006-02-15 04649, 2006

      • Kilu
        hah
      • 2006-02-15 04627, 2006

      • Kilu
        why exactly is the old style going away anyway?
      • 2006-02-15 04605, 2006

      • yalaforge
        because the old style reveals our implementation
      • 2006-02-15 04627, 2006

      • Shepard
        morning
      • 2006-02-15 04645, 2006

      • yalaforge
        the new style will always work, no matter if rowids in the DB change or not. or files on the server are moved around
      • 2006-02-15 04648, 2006

      • yalaforge
        moin!
      • 2006-02-15 04607, 2006

      • Kilu
        hmmm
      • 2006-02-15 04618, 2006

      • Kilu
        doesn't make me like the links more :p
      • 2006-02-15 04621, 2006

      • yalaforge
        the most important reason is: they look cool and geeky :-)
      • 2006-02-15 04610, 2006

      • bob303 has quit
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      • Jetpack
        cool and geeky - isn't that an oxymoron
      • 2006-02-15 04647, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Gosh no!
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      • g0llum has quit
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      • Kilu
        haha
      • 2006-02-15 04654, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        can anyone suggest an answer to this http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4265729
      • 2006-02-15 04658, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        no, geeks can be cool
      • 2006-02-15 04609, 2006

      • mustaqila
        Can be, and are
      • 2006-02-15 04617, 2006

      • g0llum joined the channel
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      • Kilu
        wasn't there a similar situtaion brought up in mailing list just a week or so ago
      • 2006-02-15 04647, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        yes with delirious
      • 2006-02-15 04628, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        option D is impossible at the moment, duplicate aliases arn't currently allowed
      • 2006-02-15 04629, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        with searching for Hammer bring up ハンマー if it has Hammer as a sort name? or does it have to be an alias too?
      • 2006-02-15 04646, 2006

      • inhouseuk looks
      • 2006-02-15 04629, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        I think it would need to have an alias
      • 2006-02-15 04659, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        looks that way, it doesnt come up on a search for Hammer
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      • inhouseuk
        but the users that are interested in that artist are more likely to seach using ハンマー
      • 2006-02-15 04637, 2006

      • luks
        you can add alias "hammer " (with space)
      • 2006-02-15 04618, 2006

      • Blippe has quit
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      • luks
        hmm, space doesn't work
      • 2006-02-15 04600, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        I thought whitespace at the beginning and end are removed
      • 2006-02-15 04639, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        the band are known in the USA as Hammer see http://www.ebullition.com/Xderanged.html
      • 2006-02-15 04656, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        that works, thanks luks
      • 2006-02-15 04615, 2006

      • luks
        yep, but it's ugly hack :)
      • 2006-02-15 04601, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        but at least you get a hit for the band now in a search
      • 2006-02-15 04604, 2006

      • Jetpack
        why the alias?
      • 2006-02-15 04604, 2006

      • Shepard
        some votes please so modbot won't eat the split artist: http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?au…
      • 2006-02-15 04608, 2006

      • Mudcrow
        an artist already has the alias Hammer, and a Japanese band needed the same alias too
      • 2006-02-15 04614, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        Jetpack: otherwise the seach for hammer doesn't show the asian artist and the tracks for it are getting filed under MC Hammer at last.fm
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      • Knio has quit
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      • Knio joined the channel
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      • Shepard
        and here for another artist split: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4267612
      • 2006-02-15 04609, 2006

      • Shepard
        thanks
      • 2006-02-15 04619, 2006

      • Jetpack
        ahh cool
      • 2006-02-15 04626, 2006

      • Jetpack
        and sortnames have to be unique?
      • 2006-02-15 04634, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        at the moment yes
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      • luks
        sortnames? no
      • 2006-02-15 04656, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        ah, sorry aliases need to be unique
      • 2006-02-15 04623, 2006

      • luks
        there is a ticket to drop the unique index from aliases too
      • 2006-02-15 04643, 2006

      • Jetpack
        i thought the search function used sortnames
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      • yalaforge
        about one year ago the unique on artist names was dropped
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      • yalaforge
        it turned out to cause lots of trouble, so be careful if you drop uniqueness :-)
      • 2006-02-15 04601, 2006

      • inhouseuk remembers that problem - lots of duplicate artists being created by VA album adds
      • 2006-02-15 04618, 2006

      • yalaforge
        yup
      • 2006-02-15 04623, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        it wasn't nice :(
      • 2006-02-15 04635, 2006

      • Shepard
        it had to be dropped though
      • 2006-02-15 04649, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        indeed
      • 2006-02-15 04621, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        why is alias unique anyway?
      • 2006-02-15 04637, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        considering it's mainly a search aid (right now)
      • 2006-02-15 04643, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        because of a unique index on the DB table
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      • yalaforge
        someone thought it would be a good idea, I guess
      • 2006-02-15 04651, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        right, that's my question :P
      • 2006-02-15 04659, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        why is it like that
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      • inhouseuk
        legacy :)
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      • yalaforge
        chances are that the index was added like 5 years ago and nobody ever wondered why it was done
      • 2006-02-15 04641, 2006

      • ojnkpjg
        oh
      • 2006-02-15 04602, 2006

      • yalaforge
        that, and maybe a vague suspicion that it *could* make sense
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      • yalaforge
        or that something breaks if it is removed :-)
      • 2006-02-15 04626, 2006

      • Jetpack
        the combination of name,sortname,alias should be unique
      • 2006-02-15 04657, 2006

      • luks
        why?
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      • yalaforge
        that doesn't work, there can be more than one alias per artist
      • 2006-02-15 04618, 2006

      • luks
        aaargh, mo
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      • luks
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      • inhouseuk
        ouch
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      • luks
        it's definitely not unknown
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      • GURT
        it is now
      • 2006-02-15 04626, 2006

      • luks
        but maybe mo would prefer Julian Záharovský & Martina Balogová & Tomáš Savka & Petr Poláček & Veronika Zaňková & Petra Páchová & Aneta Langerová & Sámer Issa & Šárka Vaňková & Stanislav Dolinek
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      • inhouseuk
        :)
      • 2006-02-15 04634, 2006

      • yalaforge
        the limit is 255 characters :-)
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      • yalaforge
        that's just 163 ...
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      • Kilu has quit
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      • Jetpack
        might be taking 2 bytes to store each character
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      • yalaforge
        oh, right.
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      • yalaforge
        178 then