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      • nechto13
        that doesn't sound good. it never took me 2 hours to get to sleep, maybe an hour, hour and a half tops and those were seriously messed up days

        • 2006-02-01 03256, 2006

      • nikki_
        technically it took a lot longer than that, I tried to sleep several times

        • 2006-02-01 03217, 2006

      • nikki_
        I'm just exhausted and it's screwing everything up :(

        • 2006-02-01 03236, 2006

      • nikki_
        I wish I could just knock myself out at 10pm for 8 hours.

        • 2006-02-01 03249, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        in those situations I drink a glass of warm milk and put the TV on the most boring channel possible

        • 2006-02-01 03256, 2006

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      • nechto13
        hello yalaforge

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • nikki_
        hi matthias

        • 2006-02-01 03213, 2006

      • yalaforge
        moin!

        • 2006-02-01 03215, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        morning yalaforge

        • 2006-02-01 03243, 2006

      • yalaforge
        wow, pretty busy here, so early in the morning :-)

        • 2006-02-01 03223, 2006

      • yalaforge
        nikki_: how far did you get with the search code yesterday?

        • 2006-02-01 03246, 2006

      • nikki_
        I was almost done...

        • 2006-02-01 03218, 2006

      • SenRepus
        SenRepus has joined #MusicBrainz

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      • yalaforge
        can I look at it somewhere?

        • 2006-02-01 03221, 2006

      • nikki_
        it wasn't much different from yours

        • 2006-02-01 03232, 2006

      • yalaforge
        ah, ok.

        • 2006-02-01 03235, 2006

      • nikki_ thinks her bed looks so inviting... :(

        • 2006-02-01 03246, 2006

      • yalaforge
        no college today?

        • 2006-02-01 03204, 2006

      • nechto13
        inhouseuk: do you know how come Israel Philharmonic wasn't in the result set for your AR query?

        • 2006-02-01 03207, 2006

      • nikki_
        yes, that's why it's a sad faced smiley

        • 2006-02-01 03221, 2006

      • yalaforge
        ah, I see :-)

        • 2006-02-01 03236, 2006

      • nikki_
        because 2 hours isn't enough sleep for working.

        • 2006-02-01 03250, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        nechto13: nope

        • 2006-02-01 03251, 2006

      • nechto13
        it had at least 30 of them at the time, i think

        • 2006-02-01 03203, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        nechto13: I need to rethink it, the results don't quite match as expected

        • 2006-02-01 03252, 2006

      • nechto13
        i see. i'm planning to beat elton john. even if i have to make up fictitious ARs :P

        • 2006-02-01 03229, 2006

      • yalaforge
        dammit, everybody has more ARs than tori amos these days

        • 2006-02-01 03229, 2006

      • inhouseuk
        AR's can be in initiated in two different directions and I was only one pulling out one direction

        • 2006-02-01 03209, 2006

      • nikki_
        yalaforge: weeeeell, you can always add more!

        • 2006-02-01 03225, 2006

      • yalaforge
        too much work :-/

        • 2006-02-01 03244, 2006

      • nikki_
        hmm, that's a good excuse.

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • yalaforge
        the best excuse, whether true or not ;-)

        • 2006-02-01 03226, 2006

      • nechto13
        i say orchestras should have more ARs period. more people, means more ARs. and i think all those ARs should be added by someone other than me

        • 2006-02-01 03243, 2006

      • inhouseuk goes for a shower and a shave, currently he's a smelly hedgehog

        • 2006-02-01 03255, 2006

      • nechto13
        i want others to experience the joy

        • 2006-02-01 03250, 2006

      • nikki_
        I stick to wikipedia, discogs, official and amazon urls.

        • 2006-02-01 03213, 2006

      • yllona
        nechto13: why do you think i stopped adding as many mods? and you didn't add album or track ARs -- which I *always* do. so quit whining

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • yalaforge
        moin yllona

        • 2006-02-01 03224, 2006

      • yllona
        morning yalaforge

        • 2006-02-01 03226, 2006

      • nechto13
        don't know 'em and even if i did i never said i'll add those. still i'm not whining or blaming anyone

        • 2006-02-01 03214, 2006

      • nechto13
        the fact of the matter is i have plenty of stuff on my to do list and ISO wasn't on it

        • 2006-02-01 03217, 2006

      • yalaforge
        http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XMLWebService#head-ca… <- we got to schema v1.0rc1, in case someone is interested

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      • nechto13
        the fact of the matter is i have plenty of stuff on my to do list and ISO wasn't on it. get n00bs to do it :P i have 32 volumes of visotsky in my queue

        • 2006-02-01 03250, 2006

      • nikki_
        yalaforge: maybe it should consistently stick to either UUID or MBID

        • 2006-02-01 03222, 2006

      • yalaforge
        nikki_: oh, right. I'm still not sure what the official term is. syntactically it's the ascii representation of a UUID

        • 2006-02-01 03234, 2006

      • yalaforge
        but we call it UUID, MBID and sometimes GID

        • 2006-02-01 03259, 2006

      • yalaforge would like to pick one, but is not sure which

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      • nikki_ always uses MBID, but isn't sure what everyone else thinks

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • yalaforge
        I prefer that one, too

        • 2006-02-01 03221, 2006

      • yalaforge
        it should be irrelevant for users that it's a UUID, right?

        • 2006-02-01 03240, 2006

      • nikki_
        I assume so

        • 2006-02-01 03205, 2006

      • yalaforge
        ok, I'll change it. thanks!

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      • yalaforge
        done

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      • nikki_
        I like it more than UUID because a MBID is a UUID with some meaning in MB, you can't just shove any old UUID in and expect results :)

        • 2006-02-01 03252, 2006

      • yalaforge
        yeah, right. and there are different versions of UUIDs, too

        • 2006-02-01 03209, 2006

      • yalaforge
        (different ways to calculate them, which is irrelevant to users)

        • 2006-02-01 03202, 2006

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      • nikki_
        hmm! it's apparently -0.3C outside, so presumably not much more in my bathroom

        • 2006-02-01 03205, 2006

      • nikki_
        I should just turn off the fridge and keep things in my bathroom.

        • 2006-02-01 03246, 2006

      • nikki_
        I gave up on trying to warm it up and just left the window open

        • 2006-02-01 03254, 2006

      • nikki_
        it's freezing in there now, but at least it smells nice

        • 2006-02-01 03239, 2006

      • nikki_
        it was freezing in there before, so it's no different.

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      • nikki_ sighs and leaves

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      • yalaforge
        bye nikki!

        • 2006-02-01 03229, 2006

      • nechto13 nudges yllona

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      • yllona
        yes?

        • 2006-02-01 03259, 2006

      • nechto13
        there are only 2 piano players left, which are called guest performers

        • 2006-02-01 03217, 2006

      • nechto13
        other then them there are stage managers, libririans, and so on

        • 2006-02-01 03228, 2006

      • nechto13
        do you want them in there?

        • 2006-02-01 03214, 2006

      • yllona
        once again, they would be "guests" for specific liver performers and/or recordings, so it's a non-issue unless you have the albums (or bootlegs)

        • 2006-02-01 03235, 2006

      • yllona
        *live performances, sorry

        • 2006-02-01 03203, 2006

      • nechto13
        check http://w4.israeline.com/orchestra/musicians.asp?i…

        • 2006-02-01 03234, 2006

      • nechto13
        it's like they are regular guests

        • 2006-02-01 03239, 2006

      • nechto13
        i don't think i understand that

        • 2006-02-01 03202, 2006

      • yllona
        then those are alternate pianists, not guests. if they aree listed as members, then they are on contract.

        • 2006-02-01 03220, 2006

      • yllona
        what's so difficult about this?

        • 2006-02-01 03259, 2006

      • yalaforge thinks this is all voodoo and returns to hacking some python code ;-)

        • 2006-02-01 03211, 2006

      • yllona
        it's listed here: as example: http://w4.israeline.com/orchestra/musician.asp?id…

        • 2006-02-01 03211, 2006

      • nechto13
        it says on each one of them Orchestra Member Guest player. i just don't understand that

        • 2006-02-01 03207, 2006

      • yllona
        he is a member of the orchestra, and guest soloist. he's probably under contract for a specified period

        • 2006-02-01 03232, 2006

      • nechto13
        i see. alright i'll add them both

        • 2006-02-01 03203, 2006

      • yllona
        just as you could be a contract programmer, with some and/or most employee priviledges (except benefits) :)

        • 2006-02-01 03229, 2006

      • yalaforge thinks he understood that :-)

        • 2006-02-01 03238, 2006

      • yllona
        yeah.

        • 2006-02-01 03203, 2006

      • nechto13
        i got it. thanks

        • 2006-02-01 03214, 2006

      • yllona
        it's the same deal. or he could be full orchestra, seeking freelance with other orchestras

        • 2006-02-01 03255, 2006

      • yllona
        in which case he/she would forgo full benefits (again the same deal)

        • 2006-02-01 03245, 2006

      • yllona
        the only way to achieve full marquee, ie [orchestra name] featuring [artist name] is to take the risk. or those artists may be on private and/or state fellowhip.

        • 2006-02-01 03252, 2006

      • yllona
        *fellowship

        • 2006-02-01 03254, 2006

      • HairMetalAddict yawns, grabs coffee, and contemplates whether he should actually get some coding done today or slack off and do MB nitpick-editing

        • 2006-02-01 03257, 2006

      • nechto13 ran out of ISO performers

        • 2006-02-01 03247, 2006

      • nechto13
        i'm getting back to itzhak perlman albums and since i'm not supposed to move them anymore i'll add ARs to them

        • 2006-02-01 03243, 2006

      • nechto13
        yllona, i don't do albums if i can't find a website that sells the releases, i need detailed information. if you find that for ISO i'll add them

        • 2006-02-01 03236, 2006

      • yllona
        i have two or three ISO albums, but they're from the '80s early 90s

        • 2006-02-01 03243, 2006

      • nechto13
        i can add those, if you'll send me the info. whichever way you like cover art, text listing, album link and so on. as long as its legible

        • 2006-02-01 03202, 2006

      • nechto13
        you still know my email, right?

        • 2006-02-01 03209, 2006

      • yllona
        i have to dig them up.

        • 2006-02-01 03235, 2006

      • yllona
        and i'm travelling next week, so don't hold your breath :)

        • 2006-02-01 03237, 2006

      • nechto13
        well it's your choice really

        • 2006-02-01 03242, 2006

      • yllona
        have you even heard this orchestra?

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      • nechto13
        maybe i have, i heard some stuff by itzhak perlman. and i heard the preview music on their website :P

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      • nechto13
        but at this point i can't say that i'm that curious if i was before

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      • nechto13 listens to Gigolo by The Crash again

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      • nechto13
        yllona, do you know The Crash?

        • 2006-02-01 03227, 2006

      • yllona
        i have two of the albums conducted by bernstein, a mahler, and a berstein conducting ISO and chicago symphony box set. i dont remember the 3rd

        • 2006-02-01 03235, 2006

      • nechto13
        and i still think The Crash is more fun :)

        • 2006-02-01 03235, 2006

      • lilo
        [Global Notice] Hi all. Apologies for not getting back with you on that main rotation server split. We're looking at the problem. Meanwhile, US donor tax receipts for paypal donations have been sent to your paypal email address. If you need a receipt and haven't received one, please message me. Thanks!

        • 2006-02-01 03237, 2006

      • nechto13
        alright, i'm pooped

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      • nechto13
        and i have to wake up sick tomorrow and go to work

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      • lilo
        [Global Notice] Those are the 2005 tax receipts. We're about to start our 2006-2007 fundraiser for PDPC, so if you would like to help get us going a bit early, please take a look at the freenode website ( http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml ). Thanks, and have a great morning!

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      • nechto13
        goodnight everyone

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      • nechto13
        night nechto13

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      • Schika
        hi!

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      • yalaforge
        hallo

        • 2006-02-01 03257, 2006

      • Schika
        I guess everybody is sleeping ... be quiet :P

        • 2006-02-01 03204, 2006

      • HairMetalAddict sips more coffee and wonders... should track times be made a mandatory part of the Add Album/NAT submission process...

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      • Schika wants to enter ∞ (infinity symbol) as valid track times for locked loops :P

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      • yalaforge
        from our schema: "length INTEGER DEFAULT 0,"

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      • Schika
        yalaforge, you have direct access to the MB SQL database?

        • 2006-02-01 03205, 2006

      • yalaforge
        nope

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      • luks
        yalaforge: do you think it's possible to add artist aliases to the mmd schema?

        • 2006-02-01 03224, 2006

      • luks
        something like http://pastebin.com/533465 (of course with utf-8 text, not xml entities)

        • 2006-02-01 03237, 2006

      • yalaforge
        possible, yes, but are they useful?

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      • yalaforge
        they are just for directing the site's search to the correct artist, after all

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • luks
        yes, for tagging

        • 2006-02-01 03224, 2006

      • luks
        some poeple don't want to have Пётр Ильич Чайковский in their tags

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • yalaforge
        I see. but aliases also list plain incorrect versions of a name, and there's no way to know which one is correct and which one isn't

        • 2006-02-01 03203, 2006

      • yalaforge
        I'll add it to my list for 1.0rc2, though

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      • yalaforge
        I think aliases would be useful if they had a flag like 'misspelling|transliteration-xy|etc.'

        • 2006-02-01 03245, 2006

      • Schika
        luks - but the sortname is in english or not? This could be used for tagging

        • 2006-02-01 03227, 2006

      • luks
        well, "Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky" would be better than "Tchaikovsky, Pyotr Ilyich" :)

        • 2006-02-01 03241, 2006

      • Schika
        hehe agreed

        • 2006-02-01 03234, 2006

      • Schika
        maybe an additional ArtistNameTransliterationAlias is needed in this case

        • 2006-02-01 03206, 2006

      • yalaforge grins

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      • Schika
        which could be used for taggin and such

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      • yalaforge
        forget it. client changes are done quickly in MB. server changes take ages

        • 2006-02-01 03236, 2006

      • yalaforge
        if I'd add a 'transliteration-type' attribute to the alias table, people would still complain

        • 2006-02-01 03202, 2006

      • yalaforge
        "who decides which is the *main* artist name, and which are just transliterations" etc.

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      • luks
        yep, you will still have to add also country ("Yaz" vs. "Yazoo"), language, script, ...

        • 2006-02-01 03251, 2006

      • yalaforge
        exactly. this is why I don't hack on the server anymore. it's just plain frustrating

        • 2006-02-01 03259, 2006

      • Schika
        could be variable, when they logged in with language set to russian they see the russian transliteration

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