#musicbrainz

I got swamped trying to compile the mess of dependancies libraries required before I could even get Picard to come up

oh, does anyone know if there will be any change in the classical style guide to accomodate SG5DR anytime soon?

or will it be implemented after there is a user-friendly interface to add albums under an artist with different composers for each track. if that's the case is anyone working on the interface?

i feel like i'm bringing up a sore subject once again

i guess you're right with the feeling ... hehehe ...

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i have no idea why no one (other than me) cares about the classical sg5dr issue. if i didn't know any better i'd think that i'm expected to change the classical style guide

nechto13: you should talk to clutcher2 -- he cares a lot about classical stuff

nechto13: i care, but i just can't fight the battles with people who own no classical music or have never been to a symphony concert :)

how would one of you name the tracks here http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=2... & http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=1... ? I have some bad taste in naming them same like the album.

Schika: again i don't know the artist

Is there a bug tracker online for Picard?

sorry yllona ...

schika: i don't know much about the DJ/remix stuff. if i could hear the tracks, i could tell you the source material though :P

I had in mind to name the tracks like "AlbumTitle, Part 1" or so ... cause tagging a tarck with "(disc 1)" doesn't sounds well

so it's a programmatic piece (has multiple movements or parts)?

ruaok: Are there no mac ui issues as bugs in this tracker because the fault is thought to lie somewhere outside of picard (eg in wxPython or wxWidgets?)

I really am trying to make some progress here and work with someone in #wxwidgets but I don't have something to point him at

yllona it's a two cd release - both cd's are mixed and have only one track ID point

_thom_: the application is so unusable as to it being pointless to file bugs.

schika: hmm... i noticed the single track. waht of the music itself? multiple parts? that happens on classical CDs too. multiple parts are encoded as a single track

ruaok: I'm sorry, but that sounds really pessimistic. How can one expect anything to change? I know that the wxWidgets port for Mac is not as robust as other platforms. But I know that devs do appreciate hearing what's important to get working to people using their stuff, so...

yllona, I've added the complete tracklist (artists & track titles) to both cd's ;)

_thom_: I simply have not had time to work on it.

so if all this rests on *my* shoulders, just forget about it for a while. Its as simple as that.

schicka: please point me to the URL again :)

I looked at it, played for a few hours and I said: Screw this!

ruoak: last time i checked with clutcher2, he gave me the hand on several move mods referring to Don's thoughts on the issue http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbra... , since then i was informed by inhouseuk, if i remember correctly that picard supports sg5dr, but Don might have meant all the classical music info like conductor, orchestra and other info pertinent to classical music. e

yllona, http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=1... & http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=2...

thom & ru: the wxwidget/wxpython is part of the devl install for tiger. thom could you please e-mail me the IRC log of your chat w/ the developer?

I'll try to get the important snippets to you, sure

BGreeNZ, for the HowToMergeAlbums wiki page please add some info for the "merge album attributes" that was leaving me clueless on my first try to merge albums

thom: my usr name @ gmail, pls

Schika: I'm not exactly sure what it does myself. Care to fill me in?

schicka: i still only see the single tracks, perhaps i need to wait for the votes on the mods?

one moment ...i have to try myself LOL

yllona, the full tracklist is attached in the album annotations ;)

schicka: wow!

after a quick look: track 4 is a mix of an "arrested development" song, which itself was borrowed (housed/bite'd/sampled) from a sly & the family stone tune

Schika: again, i 'd need to hear this to comment further

there are two tracks with this name on the album, the reprise is the one that got all the club/radio airplay

BGreeNZ, "Merge album attributes" will get the attributes like "Compilation, Official" from both discs - maybe the wrong one you want to merge into an better has correctly set "Compilation" and the other you want to merge into "unknown" then the final get's "Compilation" - but not sure what's the result if both have some different information, like one "Album" and the other "Compilation"

^^ same / simular for "Merge language and script"

"Leave attributes unchanged; the attributes of all but the top album will be discarded" the attributes from the one you merge into will be used

I think I just found a bug on the MB server.

On http://test.musicbrainz.org/album/4af4375d-56e7... , shouldn't the URL for Artist Name link "Shanon" and "Permanent link" both be the same? It seems the permalink is hard-coded to musicbrainz.org

Schika: here's the original...

hehehe

yep.. that's why i can't keep up with all the remix stuff unless i hear it.

Same deal on http://test.musicbrainz.org/artist/aaa4681a-961... . Anyone know what's up with that?

Schika: Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to include it wher I get up to that step

BGreeNZ, maybe to make sure that all "fixed" and "actuall" data is on the main server?

Schika: Maybe, but the purpose of the permanent link, AFAIK, is to hide the way things are implemented on the server.

Just seems mighty strange that one of them is hardcoded to musicbrainz.org and the other one isn't.

yeah, seen - it's just the permanent link

all permanent links -> http://test.musicbrainz.org/track/e32ffa15-c6ac...

yllona, were all the tracks on this album composed by Oscar Peterson http://musicbrainz.org/album/4c7cff7c-51d4-4e77... ?

i'm hoping that you know

nechto13: nope, none are oscar compositions

this looks like a fun album though

shouldn't this be a VA album then?

no, it's pop/jazz

well there are 5 different performers

you've got gershwin, kurt weill, frank loesser as composers -- one sec

no

no to what?

no, not five performers

it's oscar peterson with guest artists

itzhak perlman is a guest artist too?

yes

maybe it's the other way around ;P how does one decide that?

it's oscar peterson with itzhak perlman. the other artists are members of oscar's quartet

oscar also did a similar album with stephan grapelli

this album should actually be listed under itzhak perlman as he has first marquee on the album cover

which is why i asked how do you decide which one is the main artist

let me check the telarc site

telarc (the record label) has it listed as "oscar peterson/itzhak perlman" : http://www.telarc.com/gscripts/title.asp?gsku=3...

that's probably how it's listed on the spine... which is the official status

how about a collaboration artist?

yes, that's viable. but can artist's collaborate on an album?

i'd have to check and see if this the only album that they recorded together

if they can't collaborate on an album where can they collaborate?

well i'm confused about this "project" stuff that all the re-mix kids talk about. jazz musicians have always collaborated on albums. so whatever

but yes, in my not-so-humble opinion this is a collab album

SchiKaOz is now known as Schika

it's the legendary oscar peterson trio with itzhak perlman on violin

should i add trio in the artist name? so it would be Oscar Peterson Trio & Itzhak Perlman instead of Oscar Peterson & Itzhak Perlman

no, just oscar peterson & itzhak perlman. teh others would be AR's

here's a CD where the trio gets billing: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000046ZJ/ref...

right on. that's how i was planning to do it

i have itzhak on several jazz albums, he plays jazz violin really well

eww, it's already there as well as the album. merging...

BTW, that type of jazz is called "chamber jazz". as it follows the structure of european classical chamber quartets, some follow the form more closely than others -- esp MJQ and roger kellaway

do you want me to break down the composers for you? to add as ARs? these are all jazz standards.

sure go for it. as a matter of fact could you add them to the album annotation http://musicbrainz.org/album/11073752-3658-46e0... ?

it would be easier to add the AR's

hello g0llum, how are things?

yllona: alright, then tell me the composers in any way you like

for "tradtional" it's "trad."?

yes

track one is composer - traditional, how to add that as AR?

umm, next... :P

track 2: stormy weather - Harold Arlen, Ted Koehler

which one of them wrote the lyrics?

track 3: georgia on my mind - Hoagy Carmichael/Stuart Gorrell

typically lyrics are second billing

there are no vocals on this album, so no matter....

right, sorry

track 4: blues skies - irving berlin

track 5: misty - jimmy burke, errol garner. this is an instance where the billing is reversed. jimmy burke is a lyricist, errol garner is the legendary pianist/composer

hi all.. i'm ok. besides that it's monday morning and stuff :)

heh

oh right. black eyes as in ochi chernye, the russian romance

moin Sheppy

nechto13: track 6: Marc Blitzstein, Bertolt Brecht, Kurt Weill

moin!

nechto13: correct on the dark eyes