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      • _thom_
        I got swamped trying to compile the mess of dependancies libraries required before I could even get Picard to come up

        • 2006-02-20 05112, 2006

      • nechto13
        oh, does anyone know if there will be any change in the classical style guide to accomodate SG5DR anytime soon?

        • 2006-02-20 05119, 2006

      • nechto13
        or will it be implemented after there is a user-friendly interface to add albums under an artist with different composers for each track. if that's the case is anyone working on the interface?

        • 2006-02-20 05120, 2006

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      • nechto13
        i feel like i'm bringing up a sore subject once again

        • 2006-02-20 05143, 2006

      • Schika
        i guess you're right with the feeling ... hehehe ...

        • 2006-02-20 05154, 2006

      • yllona
        !weather 90732

        • 2006-02-20 05157, 2006

      • _thom_
        I thought *I* was the one bringing up the sore subject ;)

        • 2006-02-20 05101, 2006

      • BrainzBot_
        San Pedro, CA (90732): 54°F / 12.2°C, Clear

        • 2006-02-20 05116, 2006

      • yllona
        this is some serious winter here folks!

        • 2006-02-20 05118, 2006

      • Schika
        !weather Heidelberg, Germany

        • 2006-02-20 05120, 2006

      • BrainzBot_
        Heidelberg, Germany: 39°F / 3.9°C, Light Rain

        • 2006-02-20 05136, 2006

      • nechto13
        !weather 78758

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      • BrainzBot_
        Austin, TX (78758): 34°F / 1.1°C, Cloudy

        • 2006-02-20 05157, 2006

      • yllona
        it's actually 43F here, weather bot is reporting los angeles...

        • 2006-02-20 05143, 2006

      • lilo
        [Global Notice] A new network news article is up for 20 February 2006....topics: group registrations, freenode staff channels, fundraiser. Have a great morning!

        • 2006-02-20 05157, 2006

      • ruaok
        !weather 93401

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      • BrainzBot_
        San Luis Obispo, CA (93401): 39°F / 3.9°C, Clear

        • 2006-02-20 05120, 2006

      • Schika
        at least the weather bot is correct with the light rain it just started

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      • nechto13
        i have no idea why no one (other than me) cares about the classical sg5dr issue. if i didn't know any better i'd think that i'm expected to change the classical style guide

        • 2006-02-20 05108, 2006

      • yllona fires up the electric blanket & foot warmer... grabs the heavier blankets out of the closet

        • 2006-02-20 05128, 2006

      • ruaok
        nechto13: you should talk to clutcher2 -- he cares a lot about classical stuff

        • 2006-02-20 05105, 2006

      • yllona
        nechto13: i care, but i just can't fight the battles with people who own no classical music or have never been to a symphony concert :)

        • 2006-02-20 05111, 2006

      • Schika
        how would one of you name the tracks here http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=204… & http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=170… ? I have some bad taste in naming them same like the album.

        • 2006-02-20 05102, 2006

      • yllona
        Schika: again i don't know the artist

        • 2006-02-20 05107, 2006

      • _thom_
        Is there a bug tracker online for Picard?

        • 2006-02-20 05124, 2006

      • ruaok
        musicbrainz.org/bugs

        • 2006-02-20 05141, 2006

      • Schika
        sorry yllona ...

        • 2006-02-20 05114, 2006

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      • yllona
        schika: i don't know much about the DJ/remix stuff. if i could hear the tracks, i could tell you the source material though :P

        • 2006-02-20 05127, 2006

      • Schika
        I had in mind to name the tracks like "AlbumTitle, Part 1" or so ... cause tagging a tarck with "(disc 1)" doesn't sounds well

        • 2006-02-20 05101, 2006

      • yllona
        so it's a programmatic piece (has multiple movements or parts)?

        • 2006-02-20 05108, 2006

      • _thom_
        ruaok: Are there no mac ui issues as bugs in this tracker because the fault is thought to lie somewhere outside of picard (eg in wxPython or wxWidgets?)

        • 2006-02-20 05139, 2006

      • _thom_
        I really am trying to make some progress here and work with someone in #wxwidgets but I don't have something to point him at

        • 2006-02-20 05149, 2006

      • Schika
        yllona it's a two cd release - both cd's are mixed and have only one track ID point

        • 2006-02-20 05121, 2006

      • ruaok
        _thom_: the application is so unusable as to it being pointless to file bugs.

        • 2006-02-20 05129, 2006

      • yllona
        schika: hmm... i noticed the single track. waht of the music itself? multiple parts? that happens on classical CDs too. multiple parts are encoded as a single track

        • 2006-02-20 05156, 2006

      • _thom_
        ruaok: I'm sorry, but that sounds really pessimistic. How can one expect anything to change? I know that the wxWidgets port for Mac is not as robust as other platforms. But I know that devs do appreciate hearing what's important to get working to people using their stuff, so...

        • 2006-02-20 05121, 2006

      • Schika
        yllona, I've added the complete tracklist (artists & track titles) to both cd's ;)

        • 2006-02-20 05122, 2006

      • ruaok
        _thom_: I simply have not had time to work on it.

        • 2006-02-20 05140, 2006

      • ruaok
        so if all this rests on *my* shoulders, just forget about it for a while. Its as simple as that.

        • 2006-02-20 05145, 2006

      • yllona
        schicka: please point me to the URL again :)

        • 2006-02-20 05153, 2006

      • ruaok
        I looked at it, played for a few hours and I said: Screw this!

        • 2006-02-20 05126, 2006

      • nechto13
        ruoak: last time i checked with clutcher2, he gave me the hand on several move mods referring to Don's thoughts on the issue http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrain… , since then i was informed by inhouseuk, if i remember correctly that picard supports sg5dr, but Don might have meant all the classical music info like conductor, orchestra and other info pertinent to classical music. e

        • 2006-02-20 05130, 2006

      • Schika
        yllona, http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=170… & http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=204…

        • 2006-02-20 05116, 2006

      • yllona
        thom & ru: the wxwidget/wxpython is part of the devl install for tiger. thom could you please e-mail me the IRC log of your chat w/ the developer?

        • 2006-02-20 05156, 2006

      • _thom_
        I'll try to get the important snippets to you, sure

        • 2006-02-20 05103, 2006

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      • Schika
        BGreeNZ, for the HowToMergeAlbums wiki page please add some info for the "merge album attributes" that was leaving me clueless on my first try to merge albums

        • 2006-02-20 05120, 2006

      • yllona
        thom: my usr name @ gmail, pls

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      • BGreeNZ
        Schika: I'm not exactly sure what it does myself. Care to fill me in?

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      • yllona
        schicka: i still only see the single tracks, perhaps i need to wait for the votes on the mods?

        • 2006-02-20 05141, 2006

      • Schika
        one moment ...i have to try myself LOL

        • 2006-02-20 05133, 2006

      • Schika
        yllona, the full tracklist is attached in the album annotations ;)

        • 2006-02-20 05156, 2006

      • yllona
        schicka: wow!

        • 2006-02-20 05134, 2006

      • yllona
        after a quick look: track 4 is a mix of an "arrested development" song, which itself was borrowed (housed/bite'd/sampled) from a sly & the family stone tune

        • 2006-02-20 05115, 2006

      • nechto13 gives up harping about sg5dr for today, but promisses to get back to it at another time

        • 2006-02-20 05154, 2006

      • yllona
        Schika: again, i 'd need to hear this to comment further

        • 2006-02-20 05127, 2006

      • yllona is listening to People Everyday (Reprise) by Arrested Development from 3 Years, 5 Months And 2 Days In The Life Of ... (1992) (0:05 / 4:56)

        • 2006-02-20 05111, 2006

      • yllona
        there are two tracks with this name on the album, the reprise is the one that got all the club/radio airplay

        • 2006-02-20 05154, 2006

      • Schika
        BGreeNZ, "Merge album attributes" will get the attributes like "Compilation, Official" from both discs - maybe the wrong one you want to merge into an better has correctly set "Compilation" and the other you want to merge into "unknown" then the final get's "Compilation" - but not sure what's the result if both have some different information, like one "Album" and the other "Compilation"

        • 2006-02-20 05153, 2006

      • Schika
        ^^ same / simular for "Merge language and script"

        • 2006-02-20 05137, 2006

      • Schika
        "Leave attributes unchanged; the attributes of all but the top album will be discarded" the attributes from the one you merge into will be used

        • 2006-02-20 05103, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        I think I just found a bug on the MB server.

        • 2006-02-20 05104, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        On http://test.musicbrainz.org/album/4af4375d-56e7-4… , shouldn't the URL for Artist Name link "Shanon" and "Permanent link" both be the same? It seems the permalink is hard-coded to musicbrainz.org

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      • yllona
        Schika: here's the original...

        • 2006-02-20 05143, 2006

      • yllona is listening to Everyday People by Sly & the Family Stone from Stand! (1969) (0:25 / 2:22)

        • 2006-02-20 05104, 2006

      • Schika
        hehehe

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      • yllona
        yep.. that's why i can't keep up with all the remix stuff unless i hear it.

        • 2006-02-20 05115, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        Same deal on http://test.musicbrainz.org/artist/aaa4681a-961a-… . Anyone know what's up with that?

        • 2006-02-20 05145, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        Schika: Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to include it wher I get up to that step

        • 2006-02-20 05155, 2006

      • Schika
        BGreeNZ, maybe to make sure that all "fixed" and "actuall" data is on the main server?

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      • Schika
        so done with splitting the two artists named "Sasha" http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=1… & http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=3… if I missed something ... but I guess nobody cares

        • 2006-02-20 05130, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        Schika: Maybe, but the purpose of the permanent link, AFAIK, is to hide the way things are implemented on the server.

        • 2006-02-20 05144, 2006

      • BGreeNZ
        Just seems mighty strange that one of them is hardcoded to musicbrainz.org and the other one isn't.

        • 2006-02-20 05111, 2006

      • Schika
        yeah, seen - it's just the permanent link

        • 2006-02-20 05119, 2006

      • Schika
        all permanent links -> http://test.musicbrainz.org/track/e32ffa15-c6ac-4…

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      • _thom_ finally got wxPython to even build from source on his machine (he thinks, don't wanna jinx it!)

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      • nechto13
        yllona, were all the tracks on this album composed by Oscar Peterson http://musicbrainz.org/album/4c7cff7c-51d4-4e77-b… ?

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      • nechto13
        i'm hoping that you know

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      • yllona
        nechto13: nope, none are oscar compositions

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      • yllona
        this looks like a fun album though

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      • nechto13
        shouldn't this be a VA album then?

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      • yllona
        no, it's pop/jazz

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      • nechto13
        well there are 5 different performers

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      • yllona
        you've got gershwin, kurt weill, frank loesser as composers -- one sec

        • 2006-02-20 05111, 2006

      • yllona
        no

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      • nechto13
        no to what?

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      • yllona
        no, not five performers

        • 2006-02-20 05134, 2006

      • yllona
        it's oscar peterson with guest artists

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      • nechto13
        itzhak perlman is a guest artist too?

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      • yllona
        yes

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      • nechto13
        maybe it's the other way around ;P how does one decide that?

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      • yllona
        it's oscar peterson with itzhak perlman. the other artists are members of oscar's quartet

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      • yllona
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000003D43/002-2…

        • 2006-02-20 05112, 2006

      • yllona
        oscar also did a similar album with stephan grapelli

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      • yllona
        this album should actually be listed under itzhak perlman as he has first marquee on the album cover

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      • nechto13
        which is why i asked how do you decide which one is the main artist

        • 2006-02-20 05113, 2006

      • yllona
        let me check the telarc site

        • 2006-02-20 05149, 2006

      • yllona
        telarc (the record label) has it listed as "oscar peterson/itzhak perlman" : http://www.telarc.com/gscripts/title.asp?gsku=334…

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      • yllona
        that's probably how it's listed on the spine... which is the official status

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      • nechto13
        how about a collaboration artist?

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      • yllona
        yes, that's viable. but can artist's collaborate on an album?

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      • yllona
        i'd have to check and see if this the only album that they recorded together

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      • nechto13
        if they can't collaborate on an album where can they collaborate?

        • 2006-02-20 05157, 2006

      • yllona
        well i'm confused about this "project" stuff that all the re-mix kids talk about. jazz musicians have always collaborated on albums. so whatever

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      • yllona
        but yes, in my not-so-humble opinion this is a collab album

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      • SchiKaOz
        SchiKaOz is now known as Schika

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      • yllona
        it's the legendary oscar peterson trio with itzhak perlman on violin

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      • nechto13
        should i add trio in the artist name? so it would be Oscar Peterson Trio & Itzhak Perlman instead of Oscar Peterson & Itzhak Perlman

        • 2006-02-20 05154, 2006

      • yllona
        no, just oscar peterson & itzhak perlman. teh others would be AR's

        • 2006-02-20 05134, 2006

      • yllona
        here's a CD where the trio gets billing: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000046ZJ/ref=p…

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      • nechto13
        right on. that's how i was planning to do it

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      • yllona
        i have itzhak on several jazz albums, he plays jazz violin really well

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      • nechto13
        eww, it's already there as well as the album. merging...

        • 2006-02-20 05140, 2006

      • yllona
        BTW, that type of jazz is called "chamber jazz". as it follows the structure of european classical chamber quartets, some follow the form more closely than others -- esp MJQ and roger kellaway

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      • yllona
        do you want me to break down the composers for you? to add as ARs? these are all jazz standards.

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      • nechto13
        sure go for it. as a matter of fact could you add them to the album annotation http://musicbrainz.org/album/11073752-3658-46e0-a… ?

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      • yllona
        it would be easier to add the AR's

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      • nechto13
        hello g0llum, how are things?

        • 2006-02-20 05130, 2006

      • nechto13
        yllona: alright, then tell me the composers in any way you like

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      • yllona
        for "tradtional" it's "trad."?

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      • nechto13
        yes

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      • yllona
        track one is composer - traditional, how to add that as AR?

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      • nechto13
        umm, next... :P

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      • yllona
        track 2: stormy weather - Harold Arlen, Ted Koehler

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      • nechto13
        which one of them wrote the lyrics?

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      • yllona
        track 3: georgia on my mind - Hoagy Carmichael/Stuart Gorrell

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      • yllona
        typically lyrics are second billing

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      • yllona
        there are no vocals on this album, so no matter....

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      • nechto13
        right, sorry

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      • yllona
        track 4: blues skies - irving berlin

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      • yllona
        track 5: misty - jimmy burke, errol garner. this is an instance where the billing is reversed. jimmy burke is a lyricist, errol garner is the legendary pianist/composer

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      • g0llum
        hi all.. i'm ok. besides that it's monday morning and stuff :)

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      • Shepard
        heh

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      • nechto13
        oh right. black eyes as in ochi chernye, the russian romance

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      • g0llum
        moin Sheppy

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      • yllona
        nechto13: track 6: Marc Blitzstein, Bertolt Brecht, Kurt Weill

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      • Shepard
        moin!

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      • yllona
        nechto13: correct on the dark eyes