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      • _mo
        exactly
      • 2005-08-17 22900, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        ok, well, aliases as they're used in a lot of cases
      • 2005-08-17 22904, 2005

      • _mo
        lucene is goign t oneed it
      • 2005-08-17 22906, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        common misspellings, acronyms
      • 2005-08-17 22913, 2005

      • _mo
        for lucene we are goig nt oneed trackanme aliases
      • 2005-08-17 22946, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        i'd at least like the name 'alias' to go away
      • 2005-08-17 22950, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        because it's misleading
      • 2005-08-17 22958, 2005

      • _mo
        yes. find a nother, better one
      • 2005-08-17 22903, 2005

      • _mo
        do you have any ideas?
      • 2005-08-17 22905, 2005

      • _mo
        ;)
      • 2005-08-17 22922, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        sure, but i don't have the time to work on any of the code
      • 2005-08-17 22927, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        so.
      • 2005-08-17 22932, 2005

      • _mo
        then please suggest an name!
      • 2005-08-17 22901, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        'search hints'
      • 2005-08-17 22903, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        maybe
      • 2005-08-17 22909, 2005

      • _mo
        baadd
      • 2005-08-17 22911, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        why
      • 2005-08-17 22916, 2005

      • _mo
        EH! try again
      • 2005-08-17 22921, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        what else are they used for?
      • 2005-08-17 22921, 2005

      • nikki_
        I don't like it either
      • 2005-08-17 22923, 2005

      • _mo
        search hints?
      • 2005-08-17 22932, 2005

      • _mo
        everythign and anythign
      • 2005-08-17 22939, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        i think the name should be descriptive of the functional role the play
      • 2005-08-17 22950, 2005

      • _mo
        uhm
      • 2005-08-17 22956, 2005

      • nikki_
        but then they'll be used for something else and need to be renamed again
      • 2005-08-17 22904, 2005

      • _mo
        exactly
      • 2005-08-17 22910, 2005

      • _mo
        I think we are stuck with alias :)
      • 2005-08-17 22911, 2005

      • nikki_
        what if picard adds support for choosing an alias for tagging?
      • 2005-08-17 22913, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        well, i guess that ought to be settled before anything is changed
      • 2005-08-17 22925, 2005

      • nikki_
        (something I'd like to see...)
      • 2005-08-17 22926, 2005

      • ClutchEr2
        There's a f..ing dj with Beethove as Performance name. I'm trying to clean, please vote http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3233357
      • 2005-08-17 22943, 2005

      • _mo
        you got my vote
      • 2005-08-17 22954, 2005

      • ClutchEr2
      • 2005-08-17 22917, 2005

      • _mo subscribes to help vote down morons
      • 2005-08-17 22939, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        maybe something like 'alternative name'
      • 2005-08-17 22947, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        but i'm not sur ethat's any better
      • 2005-08-17 22953, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        it's almost a synonym of alias
      • 2005-08-17 22956, 2005

      • _mo
        and what exactly does 'alias' not mean?
      • 2005-08-17 22913, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        not performance name
      • 2005-08-17 22942, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        'this band is soemtiems called X but doesn't make releases attributed to X"
      • 2005-08-17 22945, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        something like that
      • 2005-08-17 22907, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        maybe 'sometimes called'
      • 2005-08-17 22916, 2005

      • _mo
        but we don't necessary use aliases for only that
      • 2005-08-17 22951, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        what is their role as you see it?
      • 2005-08-17 22958, 2005

      • _mo
        theyre...
      • 2005-08-17 22900, 2005

      • _mo
        aliases
      • 2005-08-17 22903, 2005

      • _mo giggles
      • 2005-08-17 22905, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        hehe
      • 2005-08-17 22912, 2005

      • _mo
        sorry
      • 2005-08-17 22915, 2005

      • _mo
        bbiab
      • 2005-08-17 22917, 2005

      • _mo
        tagging
      • 2005-08-17 22923, 2005

      • nikki_
        they're tools of eeevil! designed to annoy people! ;)
      • 2005-08-17 22929, 2005

      • _mo
        lol
      • 2005-08-17 22951, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        if there are plans to use aliases for more than just searching, then i'd be sympathetic to adding things like acronyms as aliases
      • 2005-08-17 22958, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        but i hadn't heard of anything
      • 2005-08-17 22903, 2005

      • _mo
        but they *are*
      • 2005-08-17 22908, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        but i think a better name would serve everybody well
      • 2005-08-17 22917, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        not right now, are they?
      • 2005-08-17 22926, 2005

      • _mo
        yes they are!
      • 2005-08-17 22927, 2005

      • _mo
        yes
      • 2005-08-17 22933, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        what are they used for other than searching?
      • 2005-08-17 22934, 2005

      • Kilu
        ==foobar== �5 Denis10 by5 Blondie10 from 5Plastic Letters � ==215kbps VBR==
      • 2005-08-17 22940, 2005

      • _mo
        uhm..
      • 2005-08-17 22949, 2005

      • _mo
        ! look behind you a 3-headed monkey!
      • 2005-08-17 22953, 2005

      • _mo runs far far away
      • 2005-08-17 22920, 2005

      • Kilu
        aliases could be used in tagging
      • 2005-08-17 22925, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        they could be
      • 2005-08-17 22932, 2005

      • _mo
        they soudl be
      • 2005-08-17 22933, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        but i was asking what they are used for currently
      • 2005-08-17 22933, 2005

      • Kilu
        and I hope they will be
      • 2005-08-17 22945, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        as far as i know, it's just searching right now
      • 2005-08-17 22949, 2005

      • Kilu
        but currently
      • 2005-08-17 22952, 2005

      • _mo
        ....
      • 2005-08-17 22904, 2005

      • _mo
        preventing bogus artist creation!
      • 2005-08-17 22908, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        that's why i was saying i'd be sympathetic to adding thigns like acronyms if there are other planned uses
      • 2005-08-17 22909, 2005

      • Kilu
        hehe
      • 2005-08-17 22922, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        that's true, i had forgotten about that
      • 2005-08-17 22948, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        but i think that can be reduced to a search problem
      • 2005-08-17 22917, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        sort of like the page you get when you try to add an artist that already exists
      • 2005-08-17 22940, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        "you're attempting to add the artist X which is similar to artist Y. is this really what you want to do"
      • 2005-08-17 22952, 2005

      • _mo
        it soudl have a 'are you sure yo uant to create a duplicated artist thing
      • 2005-08-17 22954, 2005

      • _mo
        it already has
      • 2005-08-17 22912, 2005

      • _mo
        at the ned is a 'yes I am sure I want to create a duplicated artist' checkbox
      • 2005-08-17 22923, 2005

      • _mo
        right next to it sould be a 'no, I want to merge instead'
      • 2005-08-17 22925, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        well, i mean in cases where aliases are used to prevent bogus artist creation
      • 2005-08-17 22945, 2005

      • ojnkpjg
        of course that involves making the search very smart, which is a hard problem
      • 2005-08-17 22952, 2005

      • Shepard has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22903, 2005

      • _mo
        eek! it wont let me change languages!
      • 2005-08-17 22912, 2005

      • _mo
        stupid bloated thingy
      • 2005-08-17 22915, 2005

      • _mo
        sorry nikki
      • 2005-08-17 22926, 2005

      • _mo
        just for now, minimoni has a itlaian album o_O
      • 2005-08-17 22909, 2005

      • _mo
        ah, there. I fix
      • 2005-08-17 22914, 2005

      • Daedalus has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22938, 2005

      • eMb
        <ojnkpjg> "you're attempting to add the artist X which is similar to artist Y. is this really what you want to do"
      • 2005-08-17 22951, 2005

      • eMb
        That saved me yesterday from adding an artist that wasn't found when searching.
      • 2005-08-17 22954, 2005

      • eMb
        :)
      • 2005-08-17 22921, 2005

      • eMb
        Also, it would be nice to avoid people creating "Mitalica"
      • 2005-08-17 22944, 2005

      • Kilu
        I like meatallica better
      • 2005-08-17 22909, 2005

      • eMb
        hehe
      • 2005-08-17 22908, 2005

      • luks has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22901, 2005

      • DJKC
        meatallica sounds like a queercore cover band for them
      • 2005-08-17 22910, 2005

      • Kilu
        I don't know what kind of music is queercore, and for some reason I prefer it that way :)
      • 2005-08-17 22925, 2005

      • DJKC
        it's pretty much what it sounds like. gay punk
      • 2005-08-17 22901, 2005

      • Kilu
        hooray
      • 2005-08-17 22949, 2005

      • orogor joined the channel
      • 2005-08-17 22954, 2005

      • kmagdsick|away
        kmagdsick|away is now known as kmagdsick
      • 2005-08-17 22913, 2005

      • _mo
        rr
      • 2005-08-17 22922, 2005

      • _mo has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22941, 2005

      • orogor has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22924, 2005

      • _mo joined the channel
      • 2005-08-17 22941, 2005

      • _mo
        look at this album!
      • 2005-08-17 22942, 2005

      • _mo
      • 2005-08-17 22959, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        no no no.mp3
      • 2005-08-17 22908, 2005

      • Shepard joined the channel
      • 2005-08-17 22940, 2005

      • Kilu
        haha
      • 2005-08-17 22942, 2005

      • Kilu
        that's bad
      • 2005-08-17 22915, 2005

      • ClutchEr2
        Then fix it
      • 2005-08-17 22921, 2005

      • ClutchEr2
        does anybody knows why on http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?search=schu… the first is the right one and on http://musicbrainz.org/newsearch.html?search=beet… no? With wicgh logic are they sorted?
      • 2005-08-17 22909, 2005

      • Kilu
        Kilu is now known as Kilu[away]
      • 2005-08-17 22902, 2005

      • Shepard
        the logic for the second link looks correct to me. "Beethoven" goes before "Beethoven,"
      • 2005-08-17 22958, 2005

      • Shepard
        well and on the first one Clara and John have no sortname but nonetheless they should be sorted above "Schuhmann, Robert"
      • 2005-08-17 22948, 2005

      • fuchs has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22954, 2005

      • _mo
        arrrrrrgggg
      • 2005-08-17 22955, 2005

      • _mo
      • 2005-08-17 22912, 2005

      • ClutchEr2
        Ah, stupid me, the sortname! tnx
      • 2005-08-17 22941, 2005

      • ClutchEr2
      • 2005-08-17 22941, 2005

      • Shepard
        hm.. it's not style conform but i think it's better like this so people won't confuse it with LvB
      • 2005-08-17 22955, 2005

      • _mo
        I don't know what you've even done?
      • 2005-08-17 22910, 2005

      • Shepard
      • 2005-08-17 22914, 2005

      • Shepard
        look at the sort name
      • 2005-08-17 22940, 2005

      • Shepard
        he changed it so that it will be sorted below LvB
      • 2005-08-17 22940, 2005

      • _mo
        hmmm
      • 2005-08-17 22949, 2005

      • _mo
      • 2005-08-17 22921, 2005

      • joshk
        ruaok: here?
      • 2005-08-17 22918, 2005

      • tolsen has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22938, 2005

      • Shepard
        mo: without more information: nothing :)
      • 2005-08-17 22958, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Yeah, just looks confusing.
      • 2005-08-17 22911, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        Are those sidenumbers?
      • 2005-08-17 22925, 2005

      • PRAEst76
        side/track
      • 2005-08-17 22907, 2005

      • _mo
        ugly
      • 2005-08-17 22908, 2005

      • _mo
      • 2005-08-17 22910, 2005

      • joshk rapes the TRM server
      • 2005-08-17 22927, 2005

      • _mo
        hmm
      • 2005-08-17 22911, 2005

      • ruaok
        joshk: yes, but no. I'm going to the office, so chat in about 20 minutes?
      • 2005-08-17 22914, 2005

      • ruaok has quit
      • 2005-08-17 22941, 2005

      • Shepard
        mo: remove the data track and merge it into this one: http://musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=153… :)
      • 2005-08-17 22909, 2005

      • _mo
        ja
      • 2005-08-17 22918, 2005

      • _mo
        vote plz
      • 2005-08-17 22919, 2005

      • _mo
      • 2005-08-17 22927, 2005

      • ClutchEr2