0:10 AM
Shepard kicks the server
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
0:21 AM
orogor has quit
2005-08-24 23658, 2005
0:43 AM
fuchs
Shepard: yeah someone is obviously playing hard on the servers ;)
2005-08-24 23601, 2005
0:44 AM
fuchs
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
0:45 AM
Shepard
not me :o *looks innocent*
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
0:46 AM
fuchs
Shepard: i doubt you could request a 1,500 trms a minute over hours ;)
2005-08-24 23633, 2005
0:46 AM
Shepard
You are currently subscribed to these 153 artists. - i wonder if i some day might get near to mo
2005-08-24 23659, 2005
0:46 AM
fuchs
is there a way to sort the subscribe list?
2005-08-24 23626, 2005
0:47 AM
Shepard
sort?
2005-08-24 23641, 2005
0:47 AM
fuchs
even with my few subscriptions I always subscribe more than once to an artist ;)
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
0:48 AM
Shepard
more than once??
2005-08-24 23624, 2005
0:48 AM
fuchs
yes, i click subscribe when i'm already subscribed :)
2005-08-24 23636, 2005
0:48 AM
Shepard
well that changes nothing
2005-08-24 23645, 2005
0:48 AM
fuchs
it's anoying :)
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
0:48 AM
dholmes
You can sort them.. by copying and pasting them into some other tool that sorts :P
2005-08-24 23602, 2005
0:49 AM
fuchs
:þ
2005-08-24 23631, 2005
0:49 AM
Shepard
you mean the subscribe link should vanish or turn into an unsubscribe link when you are subscribed?
2005-08-24 23619, 2005
0:50 AM
fuchs
Shepard: no i just want to see the subscription list sorted to figure out with one short view wether I'm subscribed to one artist or not :)
2005-08-24 23634, 2005
0:50 AM
Shepard
hm.. mine is sorted
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
0:52 AM
Shepard
exept that it doesn't sorte umlaute the german way but under the alphabet
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
0:53 AM
fuchs
ehm - oops, yeah, forget what i said *dumdidum*
2005-08-24 23617, 2005
0:53 AM
fuchs
I'm just blind that's it ;)
2005-08-24 23626, 2005
0:53 AM
Shepard
hehe
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
0:53 AM
fuchs
i'm always confused by the sortname sorting :)
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
0:54 AM
Shepard
you're not the first one :)
2005-08-24 23615, 2005
0:54 AM
fuchs
hmm, so Die Ärzte should have Die Aerzte as sortname, shouldn't it?
2005-08-24 23627, 2005
0:54 AM
fuchs
ehm Aerzte, Die i mean
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
0:55 AM
Shepard
well the curious thing is, this sorting algorithm is only applied to the subscription list. in the artist search you'll find it sorted like we would expect it
2005-08-24 23635, 2005
0:56 AM
fuchs
hmm
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
0:58 AM
Shepard
and you don't want to change all umlaute in the sortnames, do you? :)
2005-08-24 23647, 2005
0:58 AM
Shepard
(or umlauts would be correct english plural)
2005-08-24 23655, 2005
1:02 AM
fuchs
no, it would be enough to change every appearance of the artistname to it's sortname :)
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
1:04 AM
Shepard
hä?
2005-08-24 23630, 2005
1:04 AM
fuchs
just kidding :)
2005-08-24 23629, 2005
1:05 AM
fuchs
*calling interpol to find the guy flooding the servers*
2005-08-24 23614, 2005
1:06 AM
Shepard
if that isn't the same one flooding Bavaria
2005-08-24 23649, 2005
1:06 AM
fuchs
Shepard: what's the normal way of naming an album, that has Limited Edition or Special Edition printed on the cover as some kind of a subtitle?
2005-08-24 23657, 2005
1:06 AM
fuchs
who cares about bavaria?
2005-08-24 23600, 2005
1:07 AM
Daedalus joined the channel
2005-08-24 23617, 2005
1:07 AM
Shepard
at the moment: leaving that out
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
1:07 AM
fuchs
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
1:08 AM
Shepard
though you might find some moderators agreeing with you if you put it in *doesn't tell names* ;)
2005-08-24 23637, 2005
1:08 AM
fuchs
yeah i voted "yes" on at least one of those myself
2005-08-24 23605, 2005
1:09 AM
Shepard
well I wouldn't vote no on this because the title is wrong
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
1:09 AM
Shepard
as one could change it easily
2005-08-24 23628, 2005
1:09 AM
fuchs
2005-08-24 23640, 2005
1:09 AM
fuchs
s/bet/bad/
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
1:14 AM
Shepard
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
1:15 AM
fuchs
Shepard: what do you plan on doing with max raabe and the orchestra mess
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
1:15 AM
Shepard
saying something like "limited edition XXX pieces" and the album is nearly the same
2005-08-24 23625, 2005
1:15 AM
Shepard
nothing *g*
2005-08-24 23635, 2005
1:15 AM
fuchs
why not?
2005-08-24 23643, 2005
1:15 AM
Shepard
it's just "zum kotzen"
2005-08-24 23659, 2005
1:15 AM
Shepard
and i don't know how to deal with it
2005-08-24 23615, 2005
1:16 AM
fuchs
just put everything under max raabe, the orchestra isa unimportant :)
2005-08-24 23626, 2005
1:16 AM
Shepard
if you look under amazon you find thousands of ways they write the name
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
1:16 AM
Shepard
well but the orchestra also exists as a separate artist
2005-08-24 23655, 2005
1:16 AM
fuchs
fine, then link it in
2005-08-24 23601, 2005
1:17 AM
Shepard
and i don't know if he sung on all of the albums
2005-08-24 23635, 2005
1:17 AM
fuchs
if he didn't he wouldn't appear as part of the artist, would he?
2005-08-24 23659, 2005
1:17 AM
Shepard
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
1:18 AM
Shepard
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
1:19 AM
Shepard
he is just part of the orchester
2005-08-24 23640, 2005
1:19 AM
fuchs
but he's the known part and the name those cds are sorted under in cd stores :)
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
1:22 AM
dholmes
2005-08-24 23608, 2005
1:22 AM
Shepard
at least no cover on amazon says "_Das_ Palast Orchester" so i can change that
2005-08-24 23640, 2005
1:23 AM
fuchs
2005-08-24 23649, 2005
1:24 AM
fuchs
Shepard: but you are right, especially the older releases list the Palastorchester very prominently on the title
2005-08-24 23627, 2005
1:25 AM
fuchs
Shepard: those are from the time when he wasn't as famous as he is now
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
1:26 AM
fuchs
dholmes: i can't read a word of this mod :)
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
1:27 AM
dholmes
fuchs, it's an album of four tracks, two of which are arrangements of tracks by other composers
2005-08-24 23655, 2005
1:27 AM
dholmes
Both arrangements are fairly direct renditions of the originals, and the second is just a synthesized version of a classical song
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
1:29 AM
fuchs
yeah yeah, i voted already ,)⇧
2005-08-24 23659, 2005
1:29 AM
fuchs
Shepard: but is it Palastorchester or Palast Orchester?
2005-08-24 23610, 2005
1:31 AM
Shepard
most covers have it splitted
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
1:32 AM
fuchs
Shepard: so I would make it "Palast Orchester & Max Raabe" as the main artist name, and add a few hundred aliases for all the other possible names :)
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
1:32 AM
Shepard
and put all albums there?
2005-08-24 23613, 2005
1:33 AM
fuchs
all that have both listed on the front cover :)
2005-08-24 23638, 2005
1:33 AM
fuchs
it's odd :(
2005-08-24 23643, 2005
1:33 AM
fuchs
"Die Dreigroschenoper" not, f.e.
2005-08-24 23608, 2005
1:34 AM
Shepard
I'm unsure..
2005-08-24 23648, 2005
1:34 AM
fuchs
i had similar problems where the artist was called something like "Nationalchor der DDR und Orchester der Nationalen Volksarmee" or similar :)
2005-08-24 23653, 2005
1:34 AM
Shepard
well on collaborations you normally have "Person & Group" but here the person is a member of the group so I think "Group & Person" is ok
2005-08-24 23622, 2005
1:35 AM
fuchs
but is he really a member? an orchestra normally doesn't have a singer
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
1:36 AM
Shepard
then this is the name of the whole act
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
1:36 AM
fuchs
what does discogs with this?
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
1:36 AM
Shepard
doesn't have it? :)
2005-08-24 23627, 2005
1:36 AM
fuchs
well great :)
2005-08-24 23640, 2005
1:36 AM
fuchs
nobody cares about german music *crying* ;)
2005-08-24 23652, 2005
1:36 AM
Shepard
well they mostly care about electronic music
2005-08-24 23623, 2005
1:37 AM
Shepard
I'm always happy if they even know one of the most known metal bands
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
1:38 AM
fuchs
and wikipedia?
2005-08-24 23638, 2005
1:38 AM
fuchs
Max Raabe (* Dezember 1962 in Lünen) ist ein bekannter deutscher Sänger sowie Gründer und Leiter des Palast Orchesters.
2005-08-24 23645, 2005
1:38 AM
fuchs
aha
2005-08-24 23650, 2005
1:38 AM
fuchs
so he is part
2005-08-24 23600, 2005
1:39 AM
Shepard
yeah
2005-08-24 23645, 2005
1:39 AM
Shepard
i had the same today with Orson Welles & The Mercury Theatre (he founded it together with another person)
2005-08-24 23649, 2005
1:39 AM
fuchs
so "Palast Orchester & Max Raabe" would be like Metallica & Lars Ullrich
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
1:40 AM
Shepard
yes but also we have *searches*
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
1:40 AM
fuchs
you could add Max Raabe as an alias for Palast Orchester :)
2005-08-24 23607, 2005
1:41 AM
fuchs
but I'm not sure people would like tagging there files with Palast Orchester only ;)
2005-08-24 23614, 2005
1:41 AM
Shepard
mwah.. how was she called.. a singer who was part of a band but we keep "singer & band" too
2005-08-24 23633, 2005
1:41 AM
fuchs
nena :)
2005-08-24 23652, 2005
1:41 AM
fuchs
udo lindenberg ;)
2005-08-24 23657, 2005
1:41 AM
Shepard
nono this is clear.. there the band is called Nena and the member Nena Kerner
2005-08-24 23628, 2005
1:42 AM
Shepard
english artist *tries to remember*
2005-08-24 23635, 2005
1:42 AM
Shepard
head -> table
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
1:43 AM
fuchs
hammer -> sheppy's back-head
2005-08-24 23605, 2005
1:44 AM
Shepard
Diana Ross and The Supremes
2005-08-24 23629, 2005
1:44 AM
Shepard
2005-08-24 23625, 2005
1:45 AM
Shepard
i tried to merge this into the supremes but people didn't agree
2005-08-24 23638, 2005
1:45 AM
fuchs
:)
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
1:46 AM
fuchs
so we also could move everything to artist "[unknown]" :)
2005-08-24 23634, 2005
1:46 AM
fuchs
or even beter VA and link every member of the orchestra in :)
2005-08-24 23653, 2005
1:46 AM
Shepard
yeah this would solve all our problems
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
1:47 AM
fuchs
not the searching
2005-08-24 23633, 2005
1:47 AM
Shepard
or we could give up trying to do mb correct... and turning our backs on mb and forget it forever
2005-08-24 23641, 2005
1:47 AM
Shepard
and we all would be happy :)
2005-08-24 23651, 2005
1:47 AM
Shepard
but wait.. what to do with our mp3s?
2005-08-24 23600, 2005
1:48 AM
fuchs
not an option i have some untagged oggs ;)
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
1:48 AM
fuchs
yeah
2005-08-24 23629, 2005
1:50 AM
Shepard
ok.. so if we take Diana Ross and The Supremes as a precedent case
2005-08-24 23649, 2005
1:50 AM
Shepard
then Max Raabe & Palast Orchester would do it?
2005-08-24 23638, 2005
1:51 AM
fuchs
sortname: Palast Orchester & Max Raabe - just to make sure people are really confused :)
2005-08-24 23611, 2005
1:52 AM
Shepard
waaahh x_X
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
1:53 AM
fuchs
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
1:53 AM
Shepard
i have to make a lists of all variants on the covers and then evaluate them statistical
2005-08-24 23648, 2005
1:53 AM
Shepard
SurvivalOfTheFittest
2005-08-24 23655, 2005
1:53 AM
fuchs
:)
2005-08-24 23615, 2005
1:55 AM
fuchs
i think Max Raabe & Palast Orchester is the best, it's used on current releases and everybody will find what she's looking for
2005-08-24 23650, 2005
1:59 AM
Shepard
and since he is member of the orchestra it's not a collaboration so Palast Orchester should be merged into it
2005-08-24 23630, 2005
2:00 AM
Shepard
if they ever do something without him it's not the full orchestra and should have another name
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
2:00 AM
Shepard
*not the full act
2005-08-24 23613, 2005
2:13 AM
fuchs
Shepard: the first volume of a series is normally not names "Volume 1". Do we add it nevertheless?
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
2:13 AM
fuchs
-s+d
2005-08-24 23631, 2005
2:13 AM
Shepard
depends on how it's written on the cover
2005-08-24 23637, 2005
2:13 AM
Shepard
some series have it
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
2:14 AM
fuchs
k
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
2:19 AM
Shepard
though sometimes for long series we don't care a lot on what is written on the cover for consistency. Café del Mar for example
2005-08-24 23623, 2005
2:32 AM
Quiky joined the channel
2005-08-24 23635, 2005
2:35 AM
Shepard
2005-08-24 23640, 2005
2:35 AM
Shepard
so i can do the final step
2005-08-24 23645, 2005
2:36 AM
Quiky
There you go.
2005-08-24 23623, 2005
2:38 AM
Shepard
thanks :)
2005-08-24 23641, 2005
2:38 AM
Shepard
fuchs: if you want you can do the fine tuning in the albums :P
2005-08-24 23647, 2005
2:38 AM
Shepard
*on
2005-08-24 23607, 2005
2:39 AM
fuchs
*looking around* nice weather it is :)
2005-08-24 23600, 2005
2:40 AM
Shepard
dark it is
2005-08-24 23614, 2005
2:40 AM
Shepard
yoda speech we do
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
2:41 AM
Quiky
Cats be shot, tresspassers are they.
