Shouldn't musicbrainz stay focused on indexing the information? Maybe links to reviews would be appropriate, but I don't see a reason to clutter up with reviews.
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
Shepard
hm.. I don't want to criticize in the beginning.. but I'm sceptical.. is this the purpose of mb?
2005-08-24 23636, 2005
ruaok
yes, it is.
2005-08-24 23650, 2005
ruaok
we just have never tackled any non-factual data since it is hard to work with.
2005-08-24 23650, 2005
SenRepus
ill leave that stuff up to you guys
2005-08-24 23658, 2005
eMb
In there, of course, should be links to last.fm's artist page. When I read reviews I just want to know what kind of music it is - last.fm does this fine, so it should be one of the alternatives.
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
SenRepus
i dont like to stray from the non-factual at all
2005-08-24 23622, 2005
_mo
me neither. but I stil think its cool
2005-08-24 23625, 2005
ruaok
eMb: that makes sense. can you please add that as a comment to the wiki?
2005-08-24 23639, 2005
eMb
Uhm, I've never done it before but I'll figure it out.
2005-08-24 23655, 2005
SenRepus
emb is a wiki virgin!!
2005-08-24 23600, 2005
_mo
omg!
2005-08-24 23601, 2005
ruaok
Overall, MB should aim to become a comprehensive user contributed music encyclopedia.
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
ruaok
we've got a lot of people who have the brainz needed to pull this off.
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
eMb
Oh, this requires registration. Is the MB account to be used?
2005-08-24 23625, 2005
_mo
that includes peopels *oppinion* of music
2005-08-24 23629, 2005
ruaok
why stopwith the factual stuff.
2005-08-24 23639, 2005
ruaok
eMB: use mbreview/mbreview
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
eMb
okay
2005-08-24 23651, 2005
luks has quit
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
ruaok
(that's listed in the dialog)
2005-08-24 23600, 2005
_mo
I think he means the actual login
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
_mo
on the page
2005-08-24 23607, 2005
ruaok
Hmmm. no g0llum today. I hope he didn't get washed away.
2005-08-24 23610, 2005
Shepard
ruaok: an encyclopedia only cares about facts. reviews mean different opinions
2005-08-24 23611, 2005
_mo
:(
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
eMb
Yes.
2005-08-24 23629, 2005
SenRepus
yea
2005-08-24 23633, 2005
ruaok
yes and no.
2005-08-24 23648, 2005
SenRepus
i was going to ignore that because i know you didnt mean an encyclopedia exactly
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
eMb
Also, you should stop and focus and not broaden. Instead of broadening you should make it possible to communicate with any other site/program.
2005-08-24 23656, 2005
ruaok
while the strict definition seems to imply that, I think the review system that Don and I have in mind fits nicely.
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
eMb
(but you've pretty much done that already)
2005-08-24 23617, 2005
eMb
This would follow the same model that linux programs use.
2005-08-24 23630, 2005
eMb
Focus on one thing, capability of sending information through the pipe.
2005-08-24 23643, 2005
ruaok
our plan is to have one neutral point of view review that links to pertinent non-neutral point of view reviews.
2005-08-24 23647, 2005
eMb
All programs can then be ultra optimized by the team working on them.
2005-08-24 23656, 2005
ruaok
its sorta a mix between Wikipedia and Amazon review models
2005-08-24 23602, 2005
eMb
ruaok: Hmm, that's hard but maybe doable.
2005-08-24 23609, 2005
eMb
It all depends on how people use it.
2005-08-24 23615, 2005
_mo
we are the mb
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
_mo
we're not n00bs
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
eMb
But with good enough guidelines, it could be done.
2005-08-24 23623, 2005
ruaok
asgreed. Don is on board and believes in this.
2005-08-24 23639, 2005
ruaok
and right now is the time to think about the guidelines and how to do it.
2005-08-24 23650, 2005
eMb
Hmm.
2005-08-24 23606, 2005
_mo
*always asume tyhe better*
2005-08-24 23607, 2005
eMb
I'm still not for the idea, but I'd gladly contribute as best I can.
2005-08-24 23633, 2005
ruaok
eMb: thanks. i'm pretty confident that it will work well for us.
2005-08-24 23605, 2005
ruaok
and the good part is that its a fraction of the work that we put into AR.
2005-08-24 23617, 2005
DJKC
also the best time to start taking bets about how long between when it goes live and the first deragotory review of brittney spears is added.
2005-08-24 23631, 2005
DJKC
I'm guessing 30 seconds and submitted by HairMetalAddict
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
_mo
jmm
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
eMb
ruaok: Okay.
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
eMb NP: Tub Ring | Fermi Paradox | 02 | Invalid [3:53]
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
SenRepus
lol
2005-08-24 23626, 2005
eMb
Aaah, one of the better songs by Tub Ring.
2005-08-24 23636, 2005
eMb
Hot damn is this some good stuff.
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
_mo
eMb: lol :p
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
SenRepus
im giving it 15 seconds and submitted by NewGuy15HatesBrtnyLikesDthmtl
2005-08-24 23601, 2005
eMb
DJKC: HairMetalAddict rules. :P
2005-08-24 23608, 2005
SenRepus
yes sir!
2005-08-24 23613, 2005
_mo
you haven't had him o nyour tail
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
_mo
hmph
2005-08-24 23619, 2005
_mo
sweedes ...
2005-08-24 23625, 2005
eMb
I've just noticed him in last.fm groups. Never seen him on MB.
2005-08-24 23635, 2005
SenRepus
hes in here sometimes
2005-08-24 23639, 2005
_mo
ja
2005-08-24 23647, 2005
SenRepus
i just like how he makes fun of whoever trys to add wrong paradies to weird al
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
_mo
yea :)
2005-08-24 23658, 2005
eMb
haha
2005-08-24 23649, 2005
eMb
Moreover, it should be able to update and correct existing relationships, automatically.
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
eMb
:O
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
ruaok
yup.
2005-08-24 23604, 2005
eMb
Making a bot that corrects something would be hard.
2005-08-24 23611, 2005
eMb
Uhm, for some newbie like me.
2005-08-24 23615, 2005
ruaok
LOL
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
ruaok
shouldn't be that hard.
2005-08-24 23637, 2005
ruaok
compared to writing AR, it will be easy. trust me.
2005-08-24 23637, 2005
SenRepus
i think i missed something
2005-08-24 23639, 2005
eMb
Well, depends on what is to be corrected and where you can get information.
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
eMb
I trust you alright.
2005-08-24 23657, 2005
ruaok
we're only talking about looking for embedded anchors.
2005-08-24 23603, 2005
eMb
okay
2005-08-24 23605, 2005
nikki-de blinks
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
SenRepus goes to PS2
2005-08-24 23634, 2005
ruaok
if the wiki writer adds a tag [[MBArtist(134134-1424524-1341234-1234512)]] then the relbot script can look for the tag and enter/adjust the AR links accordingly
2005-08-24 23621, 2005
ruaok
and if for some reason this should fail, we turn off relbot and the review wiki and focus on more fact related things.
2005-08-24 23634, 2005
ruaok
its so easy to do that we'd be stupid not to try it.
2005-08-24 23640, 2005
ruaok
technically easy, I should say.
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
ruaok
the hard part is the social part -- as usual.
2005-08-24 23647, 2005
Shepard
ruaok: how will the reviews be titled? by WikiNames or with the correct artist name?
2005-08-24 23607, 2005
ruaok
I don't think that is 100% settled yet.
2005-08-24 23624, 2005
ruaok
mainly because artists can have epinonmous albums.
2005-08-24 23633, 2005
_mo
epi what?
2005-08-24 23638, 2005
ruaok
self titled
2005-08-24 23642, 2005
_mo
hmm
2005-08-24 23657, 2005
ruaok
Portishead/Portishead for example
2005-08-24 23608, 2005
Shepard
the MediaWiki system for example provides a more freely way to title pages.. not with WikiNames. but it still has technical restrictions
2005-08-24 23628, 2005
ClutchEr2 joined the channel
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
Shepard
hi ClutchEr2
2005-08-24 23654, 2005
eMb
How do I shot web?
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
eMb
I mean, how do I post in the wiki?
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
ruaok
hit the 'edit this page' link at the bottom
2005-08-24 23605, 2005
ruaok spent some time drinking with the inventor of the wiki this weekend
2005-08-24 23609, 2005
_mo
omg
2005-08-24 23611, 2005
_mo
I omg
2005-08-24 23618, 2005
_mo
foobar is actually cool
2005-08-24 23631, 2005
ruaok
Foo Camp was cooler. :-)
2005-08-24 23638, 2005
_mo
;_;
2005-08-24 23644, 2005
_mo
I now havethe mp3s
2005-08-24 23646, 2005
_mo
aND!
2005-08-24 23648, 2005
eMb
You went to Foo Camp?!
2005-08-24 23651, 2005
_mo
even a midifile!
2005-08-24 23611, 2005
ruaok
eMb: yep
2005-08-24 23616, 2005
ruaok
My third one
2005-08-24 23617, 2005
eMb
That's... infinitely cool.
2005-08-24 23625, 2005
eMb
^38
2005-08-24 23627, 2005
ruaok
it was so mindbogglingly cool
2005-08-24 23645, 2005
ruaok
so.. there was this one drunk guy (not naming names)
2005-08-24 23652, 2005
ruaok
who was hauling ass on a segway.
2005-08-24 23652, 2005
eMb
O Rilley
2005-08-24 23612, 2005
eMb
It's fun because I could also pronounce that as "Oh, really?"
2005-08-24 23620, 2005
ruaok
he hit an orange traffic cone, then ran over someones powerbook laptop and then impaled himself on the ping pong table.
2005-08-24 23624, 2005
ruaok
HUGE crash.
2005-08-24 23636, 2005
eMb
:/
2005-08-24 23639, 2005
ruaok
now, how many people can say their laptop got run over by a segway?
