5:28 AM
nikki_
yes
2005-07-01 18217, 2005
5:28 AM
ruaok
lets assume the user sets that to latin1
2005-07-01 18235, 2005
5:28 AM
ruaok
but there is a file on the harddrive that is encodede in koi8-r.
2005-07-01 18249, 2005
5:28 AM
ruaok
specifically the filename is encoded in koi8-r.
2005-07-01 18211, 2005
5:29 AM
ruaok
so when picard attempts to read the filename in 8859 and then convert that to utf-8/unicode, it barfs.
2005-07-01 18241, 2005
5:29 AM
ruaok
so, in case something barfs we're going to have to do some encoding guessing or user selecting of encodings.
2005-07-01 18255, 2005
5:29 AM
nikki_
surely it would still be valid latin1?
2005-07-01 18206, 2005
5:30 AM
ruaok
and it has to be converted to unicode, since the metadata is unicode and all strings internally are either unicode or utf8
2005-07-01 18211, 2005
5:30 AM
ruaok
picard/litp resp.
2005-07-01 18227, 2005
5:30 AM
ruaok
garbled, but valid latin1.
2005-07-01 18231, 2005
5:30 AM
ruaok
yes.
2005-07-01 18232, 2005
5:30 AM
nikki_
yeah
2005-07-01 18259, 2005
5:30 AM
ruaok
but does even a wrongly encoded latin1 string have no conversion errors while converting to utf-8?
2005-07-01 18226, 2005
5:31 AM
ruaok
or better example: the user set picard to use latin1.
2005-07-01 18237, 2005
5:31 AM
ruaok
and there is a utf-8 encoded filename.
2005-07-01 18244, 2005
5:31 AM
ruaok
*that* won't convert.
2005-07-01 18204, 2005
5:32 AM
ruaok
the point is that there will be files that don't match the right encoding.
2005-07-01 18222, 2005
5:32 AM
ruaok
and if there is ONE SINGLE encoding error while going to UTF-8, libtp will never be able to find the right file.
2005-07-01 18238, 2005
5:32 AM
ruaok
so, as it stands right now picard cannot do ANYTHING with files that have the wrong encoding.
2005-07-01 18251, 2005
5:32 AM
nikki_
I see...
2005-07-01 18202, 2005
5:33 AM
ruaok
that needs to improve, but hopefully not derailing me for days on end.
2005-07-01 18211, 2005
5:33 AM
ruaok
what' the best way out?
2005-07-01 18220, 2005
5:33 AM
ruaok
<thinking out loud>
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5:33 AM
ruaok
1. offer to rename the file to something safe.
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5:33 AM
ruaok
2. give the user the option to select a new encoding.
2005-07-01 18253, 2005
5:33 AM
ruaok
3. do the most commong encoding guesses and if still no good conversion, give up.
2005-07-01 18218, 2005
5:34 AM
ruaok
The user should still be able to manually switch the encoding to the right thing for that given track.
2005-07-01 18233, 2005
5:34 AM
ruaok
load that track and then change encoding back and save.
2005-07-01 18240, 2005
5:34 AM
ruaok
</thinking out loud>
2005-07-01 18247, 2005
5:34 AM
ruaok
(with illegal xml tags)
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5:34 AM
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7:16 AM
ruaok
ha!
2005-07-01 18215, 2005
7:16 AM
ruaok
I found a clever solution.
2005-07-01 18238, 2005
7:16 AM
ruaok
nikki_: if the UTF-8 conversion fails, I'll try latin1.
2005-07-01 18252, 2005
7:16 AM
ruaok
then when picard gets the filename from the OS, it checks to make sure it can access the file
2005-07-01 18202, 2005
7:17 AM
ruaok
(this tests to see if the conversion worked right)
2005-07-01 18212, 2005
7:17 AM
ruaok
if not, the track is shown in light red and not accessible.
2005-07-01 18223, 2005
7:17 AM
ruaok
switch to the right encoding, refresh the path and it shows up cleanly.
2005-07-01 18232, 2005
7:17 AM
ruaok is happy with that
2005-07-01 18240, 2005
7:17 AM
ruaok prepares to check code in
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7:25 AM
ruaok
nikki_: update from cvs if you want the latest.
2005-07-01 18230, 2005
7:25 AM
ruaok
filename encodings are getting a lot more stable now.
2005-07-01 18244, 2005
7:25 AM
ruaok
libtp, libtp-python and picard
2005-07-01 18206, 2005
7:26 AM
ruaok
when you get a chance, can you get me more info on those two bugs you have?
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ruaok
moin g0llum|school!
2005-07-01 18236, 2005
7:36 AM
ruaok feels alone
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7:37 AM
g0llum|school
hey ruaok :)
2005-07-01 18232, 2005
7:37 AM
g0llum|school
i'm with you, somewhat
2005-07-01 18244, 2005
7:37 AM
ruaok
'tis ok. I'm only playing. :-)
2005-07-01 18238, 2005
7:38 AM
g0llum|school
still squashing the little buggies?
2005-07-01 18223, 2005
7:40 AM
ruaok
ever more. :)
2005-07-01 18233, 2005
7:40 AM
ruaok
though I have about 7 bugs left to go.
2005-07-01 18238, 2005
7:40 AM
ruaok
and they are all reasonably sized.
2005-07-01 18245, 2005
7:40 AM
ruaok
this picard release will kick ass. :-)
2005-07-01 18259, 2005
7:40 AM
g0llum|school
i'm sure it will!
2005-07-01 18217, 2005
7:41 AM
ruaok
no as much as the lucene enabled picard, but for picard its a great leap
2005-07-01 18230, 2005
7:41 AM
g0llum|school
must be getting really hot now in .ca ?
2005-07-01 18207, 2005
7:42 AM
ruaok
make that 6 bugs. :-)
2005-07-01 18215, 2005
7:42 AM
ruaok
actually its staying remarkably cool.
2005-07-01 18235, 2005
7:42 AM
ruaok
then again, during the hot parts I'm in my air conditioned office.
2005-07-01 18243, 2005
7:42 AM
ruaok
and then I ride my scooter with lots of air.
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7:43 AM
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7:43 AM
g0llum|school
doh, i did get nothing done this week. we have no AC in the office and it was > 32�C
2005-07-01 18224, 2005
7:44 AM
g0llum|school
the only thing we did was playing table soccer :)
2005-07-01 18236, 2005
7:44 AM
ruaok
heheh.
2005-07-01 18247, 2005
7:44 AM
ruaok
then again, 32C is not really hot for us.
2005-07-01 18216, 2005
7:45 AM
g0llum|school
it is for us :-)
2005-07-01 18250, 2005
7:45 AM
g0llum|school
but i dont complain, the river aare was 21�, which is really nice to take a swim
2005-07-01 18257, 2005
7:45 AM
ruaok
usually this time of year we have that daily.
2005-07-01 18204, 2005
7:46 AM
ruaok
ohhh.
2005-07-01 18210, 2005
7:46 AM
ruaok
rivers, what are those?
2005-07-01 18219, 2005
7:46 AM
ruaok
then again, we have an ocean to swim in.
2005-07-01 18232, 2005
7:48 AM
g0llum|school
perfect for me, and even more after a hard working day :)
2005-07-01 18232, 2005
7:48 AM
ruaok
she probably did the smart thing and go back to bed.
2005-07-01 18236, 2005
7:48 AM
g0llum|school
2005-07-01 18250, 2005
7:48 AM
g0llum|school
5 bugs left, you're fast :)
2005-07-01 18222, 2005
7:49 AM
ruaok
one was fixed, the other was not a bug afterall.
2005-07-01 18230, 2005
7:49 AM
ruaok
the other ones will be more work.
2005-07-01 18235, 2005
7:49 AM
ruaok
maybe I'll fix those tomorrow.
2005-07-01 18256, 2005
7:49 AM
ruaok
and then start the bug fixing on windows specific things.
2005-07-01 18219, 2005
7:50 AM
g0llum|school
i'll have to retag my files once it is ready :)
2005-07-01 18247, 2005
7:50 AM
g0llum|school
but i've found out that i mistagged some, there the TRM will prove useful still
2005-07-01 18228, 2005
7:51 AM
ruaok nods
2005-07-01 18216, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok
ok, that's it for me.
2005-07-01 18226, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok
its quick hot tub soak and then I'm off to bed.
2005-07-01 18237, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok
'twas good chatting. keep cool!
2005-07-01 18240, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok
night!
2005-07-01 18240, 2005
7:52 AM
g0llum|school
sleep well
2005-07-01 18243, 2005
7:52 AM
g0llum|school
night
2005-07-01 18243, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok is away: snooooooooore
2005-07-01 18245, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok
thanks!
2005-07-01 18246, 2005
7:52 AM
ruaok is away: snooooooooore
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9:33 AM
luks
mb mailing lists are really weird...
2005-07-01 18224, 2005
9:33 AM
luks
for example i have Matthew Exon's mail from 10:55 (CEST) in inbox, but i can't see it in archive
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nikki_
stupid wx...
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mo_Zzz blinks
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11:38 AM
mo_Zzz
mo_Zzz is now known as _mo
2005-07-01 18210, 2005
11:38 AM
nikki_
hei mo!
2005-07-01 18216, 2005
11:38 AM
_mo
heyy
2005-07-01 18229, 2005
11:38 AM
_mo
ew. aperantly I did a booboo
2005-07-01 18235, 2005
11:38 AM
nikki_
oh?
2005-07-01 18204, 2005
11:39 AM
_mo
but I still stand by that if acollaburation is on *only one album!* and its VA sheesh, thern havign seperated artist ids for therm is bogus
2005-07-01 18215, 2005
11:40 AM
luks
2005-07-01 18259, 2005
11:40 AM
luks
and please, undo you changes on that albums
2005-07-01 18206, 2005
11:41 AM
luks
*your
2005-07-01 18211, 2005
11:41 AM
_mo
but hey, that makes it The Prodigy feat. Tom Morello the guitarist!
2005-07-01 18224, 2005
11:41 AM
luks
Tom Morello also composed it!
2005-07-01 18230, 2005
11:41 AM
_mo
its a Prodegy song
2005-07-01 18251, 2005
11:41 AM
_mo
my point is. we sould add loads of AR's insteas
2005-07-01 18204, 2005
11:42 AM
DJKC
the entire album was a collaboration one
2005-07-01 18225, 2005
11:42 AM
DJKC
the whole point was that none were featuring, that they were bringing two unrelated groups together and collaborating on a work
2005-07-01 18241, 2005
11:42 AM
_mo
I see
2005-07-01 18243, 2005
11:42 AM
_mo
but
2005-07-01 18249, 2005
11:42 AM
_mo
.. its so ugly ;_;
2005-07-01 18203, 2005
11:43 AM
luks
but they *are* collaborations
2005-07-01 18210, 2005
11:43 AM
luks
not featurings
2005-07-01 18229, 2005
11:43 AM
_mo
:/
2005-07-01 18233, 2005
11:43 AM
DJKC
to you. Look at it like the people changing the case on Japanese stuff because they're not familiar with it, it's ugly to them too but if you know the artists changing it seems really, really bad
2005-07-01 18213, 2005
11:44 AM
_mo
hmm
2005-07-01 18238, 2005
11:44 AM
_mo
but surly on this it sould be Tom Morello and the prodigy and not rageagainst?
2005-07-01 18218, 2005
11:45 AM
DJKC
pretty sure it was just Tom on the album credit, not RAtM. Don't have the album sitting around to look at though
2005-07-01 18247, 2005
11:45 AM
_mo
according to luks' link..
2005-07-01 18207, 2005
11:47 AM
_mo
hmm...
2005-07-01 18229, 2005
11:47 AM
_mo
ok, but I dgotta go buy a newspaper for mom and tacos for me
2005-07-01 18232, 2005
11:47 AM
_mo
(no fooling)
2005-07-01 18247, 2005
11:47 AM
DJKC
2005-07-01 18214, 2005
11:48 AM
DJKC
there's the back cover from his link, "Prodigy & Tom Morello"
2005-07-01 18223, 2005
11:48 AM
_mo
I hate stupid colaburating artists :p
