and it's not like vim on here is much different to vim on my computer :)
2005-03-13 07212, 2005
warp
well my current host doesn't have emacs, i have to use some scary bsd vi (not vim)
2005-03-13 07222, 2005
warp
+and
2005-03-13 07222, 2005
tma
not vim?
2005-03-13 07226, 2005
tma
erk, that IS scary
2005-03-13 07248, 2005
cikkolata recoils in horror
2005-03-13 07257, 2005
canidae
vim! \o/
2005-03-13 07219, 2005
cikkolata
I can use vim fine, but trying to use vi turns me into a drooling idiot hitting the keys randomly trying to get it to work ;)
2005-03-13 07231, 2005
canidae goes back to stab his closet with socks, pants & other clothes
2005-03-13 07224, 2005
warp
i don't know vim that well yet, so it doesn't bother me too much... i just miss the colours :)
2005-03-13 07232, 2005
tma
how do you stab something with a sock?
2005-03-13 07244, 2005
tma
it's not pointy enough
2005-03-13 07218, 2005
canidae
stab hard enough and it works
2005-03-13 07232, 2005
SenRepus is making a webpage in notepad...
2005-03-13 07236, 2005
cikkolata
put something pointy in the sock :)
2005-03-13 07242, 2005
canidae
warp: colours in vim? :set syntax on
2005-03-13 07244, 2005
SenRepus
like a banana.
2005-03-13 07207, 2005
canidae
oh, you meant vi
2005-03-13 07207, 2005
warp
canidae: i don't get colours because the vi on that host is NOT vim
2005-03-13 07208, 2005
tma
I suppose ... foam caused Columbia to burn up, so I suppose someone could stab with a sock if they really tried
2005-03-13 07217, 2005
canidae
warp: yah, misread you :\
2005-03-13 07218, 2005
cikkolata
well, I like using the arrow keys, vi tends to interpret them as "spew all over the screen".
2005-03-13 07221, 2005
warp
canidae: :)
2005-03-13 07242, 2005
tma
cikkolata: that sounds more like a terminal translation thing
2005-03-13 07245, 2005
warp
cikkolata: ah, luckily i don't use those.
2005-03-13 07255, 2005
cikkolata
maybe
2005-03-13 07201, 2005
cikkolata
I'll stick with vim :)
2005-03-13 07202, 2005
tma
cikkolata: or a really early version of vi
2005-03-13 07221, 2005
warp
although vi cursor movement with hjkl is a bit weird if you're not using qwerty
2005-03-13 07221, 2005
cikkolata tries to remember what hjkl would be on a dvorak keyboard
2005-03-13 07257, 2005
SenRepus
...
2005-03-13 07213, 2005
SenRepus
qwertyuiop.
2005-03-13 07216, 2005
tma
if you've got shell, what's stopping you installing vim for yourself?
2005-03-13 07232, 2005
tma
make it a local install, fix up your path, all fixed
2005-03-13 07257, 2005
canidae
gaaah, now the damned machines ate one of my socks again >:[
2005-03-13 07217, 2005
warp
cikkolata: the dvorak h is where j is on qwerty, j -> c, k -> v, l -> p
2005-03-13 07226, 2005
cikkolata
ah
2005-03-13 07232, 2005
cikkolata
that would be weird.
2005-03-13 07255, 2005
warp
tma: being lazy mostly, if would attempt that, i might aswell try installing emacs
2005-03-13 07230, 2005
warp
+i
2005-03-13 07245, 2005
cikkolata
I like OS X's dvorak keyboard, the command key uses qwerty so command c, command v, etc work as normal
2005-03-13 07226, 2005
tma
OR, you could just work out your terminal translation issues and just use the cursor keys. :)
2005-03-13 07234, 2005
warp
cikkolata: and undo too?
2005-03-13 07242, 2005
cikkolata
?
2005-03-13 07247, 2005
warp
cikkolata: ctrl-z
2005-03-13 07256, 2005
cikkolata
that comes under "etc" :P
2005-03-13 07202, 2005
warp
cikkolata: ok :)
2005-03-13 07206, 2005
warp
cikkolata: interesting
2005-03-13 07226, 2005
enjayhch
Amazon don't want MusicBrainz copying artwork, right ?
2005-03-13 07235, 2005
enjayhch
but what about release dates ?
2005-03-13 07242, 2005
cikkolata
er...
2005-03-13 07248, 2005
cikkolata
you can't copyright a release date
2005-03-13 07253, 2005
cikkolata
or whatever
2005-03-13 07212, 2005
enjayhch
heh, so, can we add release dates to Albums from amazon, that don't have one already ?
2005-03-13 07245, 2005
cikkolata
I don't see why not. I'd google to see if you can find something else that agrees with the date though 'cause amazon's aren't always correct
2005-03-13 07210, 2005
enjayhch
ah ok, so best not to do it automatically ?
2005-03-13 07224, 2005
cikkolata
automatically?
2005-03-13 07243, 2005
cikkolata wasn't aware that we could...
2005-03-13 07204, 2005
enjayhch
well if an album already has an ASIN matched to it, then it would be quite easy to write a perl script to copy across the release date
2005-03-13 07218, 2005
cikkolata
ah
2005-03-13 07220, 2005
cikkolata
I wouldn't do that.
2005-03-13 07253, 2005
enjayhch
just because of lack of accuracy of release date ?
2005-03-13 07205, 2005
cikkolata
yeah
2005-03-13 07216, 2005
enjayhch
how about just taking the year and not the month/day ?
2005-03-13 07230, 2005
cikkolata
oh, and also, the amazon link mb has doesn't always match that exact version of the album (and the countries won't always be right if they're imports)
2005-03-13 07258, 2005
tma
Don't forget that a lot of Amazon info is supplied by second hand music stores
2005-03-13 07211, 2005
enjayhch
right
2005-03-13 07215, 2005
tma
so, it's not guaranteed to be precise
2005-03-13 07222, 2005
cikkolata
I don't trust anywhere to be correct
2005-03-13 07232, 2005
cikkolata
I've even found errors in japanese stuff :o
2005-03-13 07238, 2005
tma
God forbid
2005-03-13 07253, 2005
cikkolata
heh
2005-03-13 07202, 2005
enjayhch
hum
2005-03-13 07209, 2005
cikkolata
japanese discographies tend to be full of detail and rather accurate though
2005-03-13 07239, 2005
cikkolata
ones for bands over here tend to be "we think we released an album... did we? I can't remember..."
2005-03-13 07203, 2005
enjayhch
heh
2005-03-13 07234, 2005
tma
There is a somewhat moral argument over whether "no information" is better than "information that may be incorrect"
2005-03-13 07201, 2005
enjayhch
I just feel that Musicbrainz has such a great structure, but would really start being interesting and useful (outside tagging MP3s) if it had that little bit more info
2005-03-13 07215, 2005
tma
I tend to push for "information is better than none" myself... given that we aren't fighting a war or trying to build an atomic bomb here
2005-03-13 07247, 2005
enjayhch
I am inclined to agree
2005-03-13 07225, 2005
enjayhch
I have been thinking of working on linking MusicBrainz and MusicMoz
2005-03-13 07234, 2005
enjayhch
but MusicMoz is so crap/out of date
2005-03-13 07237, 2005
enjayhch
lacking
2005-03-13 07249, 2005
tma
I think we should accept this as a given, and have a caveat that states that "information given here may not be completely accurate".
2005-03-13 07256, 2005
enjayhch
that I think it would be better for MusicBrainz to do it themselves
2005-03-13 07205, 2005
tma
(with a sub-text of "if it's wrong, fix it!")
2005-03-13 07208, 2005
enjayhch
and have weblinks accosicated with artists
2005-03-13 07217, 2005
enjayhch
tma: agreed
2005-03-13 07205, 2005
tma
MB still has a ways to go. Advanced Relationships is _really_ going to change things, I feel
2005-03-13 07215, 2005
tma
but it doesn't solve everything
2005-03-13 07247, 2005
ramoz has quit
2005-03-13 07205, 2005
tma
however it's a very big step in the right direction. I'm starting to think that MB might eventually become the music equivalent of IMDB - except free.
my 2 skinnee J's collection is a better discography than anything i can find on the internet >.>
2005-03-13 07209, 2005
SenRepus
(just an example of cikkolata's comment on how no one makes accurate discographys)
2005-03-13 07216, 2005
enjayhch
I think an 'Offical' mode browser for MusicBrainz would be great
2005-03-13 07240, 2005
enjayhch
which would be like a discography for artists...
2005-03-13 07248, 2005
tma
"accurate" is about as nebulous as "truth"
2005-03-13 07249, 2005
tma
Has anyone read the "Mars" trilogy? (Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars, but Kim Robinson I think
2005-03-13 07250, 2005
tma
)
2005-03-13 07225, 2005
tma
no?
2005-03-13 07228, 2005
SenRepus
nope
2005-03-13 07246, 2005
bramp has quit
2005-03-13 07255, 2005
tma
Oh well. There's a great quote in it by the mad scientist Sax, where he talks about precision and accuracy. Let's say that there is something that needs to be measured, and you have a tool that that finds the value is, say, 93. Now, lets say the tool has an error percentage of 40%. Let's say that the value is in fact, exactly 93. This tool then, can be completely accurate, but you can't say it's very precise.
2005-03-13 07202, 2005
tma
I have no point
2005-03-13 07203, 2005
tma
I just find the distinction between accuracy and precision interesting
