21:53 PM
RodBegbie
small potatos.
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21:53 PM
_mo
and a half year fro mnow we'll be havign the same discussion anbout omg why did you pick x? why not y? tjheyre both valid, ok have both then
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21:54 PM
_mo throws hands in the air
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21:54 PM
RodBegbie
In a year's time, we'll have a new database schema.
2005-11-17 32117, 2005
21:54 PM
RodBegbie
Won't we?
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21:54 PM
ojnkpjg
STEEL CAGE MATCH
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21:54 PM
_mo
yes
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21:54 PM
RodBegbie
Isn't that your original argument?
2005-11-17 32124, 2005
21:54 PM
_mo
so. why. not. wait
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21:54 PM
RodBegbie
BECAUSE WE KEEP LOSING INFORMATION!
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21:54 PM
_mo
why the freaking impatience?
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21:54 PM
ojnkpjg
the information can be stored
2005-11-17 32148, 2005
21:54 PM
ojnkpjg
just not in the title
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21:54 PM
_mo
and recalled
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21:54 PM
ojnkpjg
it can be stored using AR
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21:54 PM
RodBegbie
ojnkpjg: Yes, it can. But mo doesn't do that.
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21:54 PM
_mo
ding
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21:55 PM
_mo
uhm
2005-11-17 32107, 2005
21:55 PM
_mo
what now?
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21:55 PM
nikki__
arr
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21:55 PM
ojnkpjg
sure feat. is ugly in the title
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21:55 PM
inhouseuk
rodbegbie: we might have a new schema, but, well have one hell of a lot of trouble populating it correctly
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21:55 PM
RodBegbie
When mo breaks up a X&Y artist, he doesn't add RAs
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21:55 PM
nikki__
I think tomorrow I should stay at home
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21:55 PM
ojnkpjg
but if you add the right ARs, you don't lose anything
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21:55 PM
ojnkpjg
you've got an ugly title, but all the data is there
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21:55 PM
_mo
if you r problem is with me, then say so. don't mess everybody else up
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21:55 PM
RodBegbie
ojnkpjg: If that was the actual case of what happened, I'd be fine.
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21:56 PM
ojnkpjg
well, that could be the temporary recommendation
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21:56 PM
RodBegbie
_mo: I said that earlier. Your behaviour pissed me off, but it was the rules, so I wasn't going to complain.
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21:56 PM
ojnkpjg
that'd be my vote, anyway
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21:56 PM
_mo
I admit to goign on mass modding sprees, and I also get wacked on the hand aboti that. but I mod feat. the same way I mod other things
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21:56 PM
RodBegbie
But it was your automoderation style that make me keep bringing this up.
2005-11-17 32138, 2005
21:56 PM
_mo
and when I*have* the info. i add the info
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21:57 PM
RodBegbie
_mo: You want me to produce examples?
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21:57 PM
_mo
no
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21:57 PM
_mo
I ma wuirte aware of them
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21:57 PM
_mo
and the info is there
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21:57 PM
_mo
track mods
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21:57 PM
Shepard
<RodBegbie> But it was your automoderation style that make me keep bringing this up. <- no, it was official style
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21:57 PM
_mo
the old names soudl be there
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21:58 PM
RodBegbie
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21:58 PM
inhouseuk
rodbegbie: that is not a valid reason for proposing a change that affects everybody and will cause future problems with schema changes and data population
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21:58 PM
RodBegbie
Notice the lack of ARs
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21:58 PM
_mo
in later times I wil lprobably go over feated artisats.. and change them to the new scema. using the mod history as an example
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21:58 PM
RodBegbie
inhouseuk: It is.
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21:58 PM
inhouseuk
so, add them yourself
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21:58 PM
RodBegbie
My point is that _mo threw out information with his mod.
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21:58 PM
inhouseuk
no rodbegbie it isn't! are you a paying customer of MB data?
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21:59 PM
ojnkpjg
or the original moderator didn't enter it
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21:59 PM
_mo
then ask peoep lto demote *my* automod status
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21:59 PM
RodBegbie
after he flattened it again, it lost any DB-level link
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21:59 PM
_mo
!
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21:59 PM
RodBegbie
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21:59 PM
RodBegbie
oopss/
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21:59 PM
RodBegbie
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21:59 PM
RodBegbie
inhouseuk: Not currently, but I'm trying to convince my bosses to use MB data.
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22:00 PM
RodBegbie
I work with lots of other music metadata sources on a daily basis.
2005-11-17 32108, 2005
22:00 PM
RodBegbie
I know my shit.
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22:00 PM
_mo
and your point is I dont?
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22:00 PM
_mo
fine
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22:00 PM
RodBegbie
no.
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22:00 PM
inhouseuk
they'll really love the mess you proposed then !
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22:00 PM
_mo
don't ruin it for everybody else.
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22:00 PM
_mo
ask for my demotion and put up reasons. ask for the vote
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22:01 PM
_mo
if it goes trought. so be it
2005-11-17 32104, 2005
22:01 PM
RodBegbie hits send.
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22:01 PM
_mo
send what?
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22:01 PM
HairMetalAddict reminds everyone that of all the people discussing, noone has agreed even remotely with RodBegBie yet...
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22:02 PM
_mo
perhaps I am the problem. maybe. but hma here is on the same side as me (o_O) and noone can say he makes erranous mods
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22:02 PM
_mo
:p
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22:02 PM
RodBegbie
HMA: Of the four of you?
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22:02 PM
RodBegbie
on this IRC channel?
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22:02 PM
_mo
there are more
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22:02 PM
RodBegbie
ROLLCALL!
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22:02 PM
_mo
they're just stfuing because they think weæ're beign childish
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22:03 PM
ojnkpjg
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22:03 PM
_mo
or sleeping. or eating. or moddign or whatever
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22:03 PM
RodBegbie
or imaginary. or drunk. or blind. or they don't have a computer.
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22:04 PM
_mo
don't be flippant.
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22:04 PM
RodBegbie
why not.
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22:04 PM
RodBegbie
it's not life or death.
2005-11-17 32127, 2005
22:04 PM
RodBegbie
it's a volunteer-run music metadatabase.
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22:04 PM
_mo
yes
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22:04 PM
RodBegbie
it's something I'm passionate about
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22:04 PM
RodBegbie
hugely so, or I wouldn't be having this discussion.
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22:04 PM
HairMetalAddict
He's been flippant all day. That's obviously not about to change, and why he never made auto-mod...
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22:04 PM
RodBegbie
:)
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22:04 PM
_mo
so whats wrogn with keeping it liek italready is and the mayority is gfor just a little longer
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22:04 PM
_mo
insane
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22:05 PM
nikki__
hmm...
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22:05 PM
RodBegbie
yes, it was a shame that a majority of people voted for me becoming an automod.
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22:05 PM
nikki__
I wish I cared enough to follow this whole discussion
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22:05 PM
_mo
like one person
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22:05 PM
_mo
lol nikki
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22:05 PM
_mo
^^
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22:05 PM
inhouseuk
rodbegbie: it's a volunteer music database which is used by PAYING customers... where they involved with the discussion?
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22:05 PM
RodBegbie
They're all secret at the moment.
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22:05 PM
_mo
inhouse gets a point
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22:06 PM
RodBegbie
There are no publicly known paying customers.
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22:06 PM
RodBegbie
last.fm ain't paying yet.
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22:06 PM
RodBegbie
and their voices would be welcomed.
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22:06 PM
_mo
then why not ask them?
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22:06 PM
_mo
no
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22:06 PM
ojnkpjg
read the chatlogs from earlier when russ was around
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22:06 PM
inhouseuk
rodbegbie: don't you think it is a little silly to make such a change until these customers are known and how it might affect them?
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22:07 PM
ojnkpjg
write the code to fully integrate AR :)
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22:08 PM
inhouseuk
agreed
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22:08 PM
RodBegbie
ojnkpjg: g0llum's already working on that.
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22:08 PM
inhouseuk
and populate AR with the artist / track relationship. It's already a 1:n solution
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22:08 PM
RodBegbie
inhouseuk: Perhaps, but there is no process to ask paying customers at the moment.
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22:08 PM
ojnkpjg
part of it
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22:09 PM
RodBegbie
Also, my job prevents me from working on MB.
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22:09 PM
ojnkpjg
lukz had drawn something up for joining collaborators
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22:09 PM
ojnkpjg
link is probably in the chat logs somewhere
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22:09 PM
RodBegbie
THere are all kinds of NDA issues.
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22:09 PM
RodBegbie
It would open MB up to a lawsuit.
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22:09 PM
g0llum
it's interesting to notice that the people who never write code are cry the loudest (and have the most unfeasible ideas) for implementation
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22:09 PM
_mo
lol
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22:09 PM
RodBegbie
sorry g0llum, didn't mean to wake you ;)
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22:10 PM
g0llum
like ARCanDoItAll! crap
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22:10 PM
_mo
g0llum why did yo uvote yes o nthis? (only curious)
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22:10 PM
g0llum
RodBegbie: i'm GMT+1 :)
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22:10 PM
Russss has quit
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Russss joined the channel
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22:10 PM
_mo merges the russ's
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22:10 PM
inhouseuk
g0llum: I can code perfectly well, I just haven't done any on MB
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22:10 PM
RodBegbie
is there a style guide for merging russes? ;)
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22:11 PM
_mo
sorry i wont joke again
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22:11 PM
_mo
asshat
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22:11 PM
_mo
:p
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22:11 PM
RodBegbie was attempting humour too.
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22:11 PM
_mo
well make your own joke don't kill mine :p
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22:12 PM
RodBegbie
It's called "Yes And"
2005-11-17 32124, 2005
22:12 PM
_mo
what is?
2005-11-17 32137, 2005
22:12 PM
RodBegbie
The technique of building upon someone else's joke.
2005-11-17 32142, 2005
22:12 PM
RodBegbie
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22:12 PM
_mo
<--- stopped caring
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22:13 PM
_mo
(short attention span)
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22:13 PM
_mo
:)
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22:13 PM
_mo
args I got to ad these mash-ups :(
2005-11-17 32134, 2005
22:13 PM
_mo
more googeling
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22:13 PM
_mo
dumbassed me I should add them when I DL them so I don't have to go research them again
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22:13 PM
ruaok joined the channel
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22:14 PM
_mo
hei ru ^^
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22:14 PM
ruaok
hey
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22:14 PM
g0llum
_mo: i voted yes on the collaboration thingies, because splitting artists borders on insanity. picking out queen+bowie as an example is bad, because it was stored unconsistently before already.
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22:14 PM
_mo
hmm
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22:14 PM
nikki__
hi again ruaok!
