but why not keep the insanity for just a *little* longer? (little in the scope of how long we've been using it already)
2005-11-17 32107, 2005
g0llum
if we did it properly, all these albums should be VA, and be listed under the same artist not different permutations of it
2005-11-17 32119, 2005
ruaok
so tronger mailed me asking to turn off automod powers for everyone so everyone can chill for a bit.
2005-11-17 32120, 2005
g0llum
but that's not desirable obviously
2005-11-17 32124, 2005
_mo
no
2005-11-17 32127, 2005
ruaok
are things that bad right now?
2005-11-17 32131, 2005
RodBegbie
not a bad idea.
2005-11-17 32136, 2005
_mo
and we cant add album artist to VA currently
2005-11-17 32140, 2005
_mo
if we could that..
2005-11-17 32142, 2005
nikki__
I'd like to keep mine, please
2005-11-17 32147, 2005
ruaok
personally, I think its very bad idea.
2005-11-17 32148, 2005
_mo
then maybe this would be somewhat different
2005-11-17 32148, 2005
RodBegbie
ruaok: Yeah, there was the first automod war I've seen.
2005-11-17 32148, 2005
nikki__
I'm not even touching artists
2005-11-17 32157, 2005
ruaok
who are the key players in the war?
2005-11-17 32102, 2005
Russss
personally, I don't think automods should change stuff till there's a concenus.
2005-11-17 32108, 2005
nikki__
I agree, russ
2005-11-17 32117, 2005
luks
ruaok: HairMetalAddict and mo
2005-11-17 32118, 2005
Russss
which there clearly isn't at the moment
2005-11-17 32119, 2005
g0llum
it's unsensible of zout to start doing the batch mods
2005-11-17 32124, 2005
ojnkpjg
and zout
2005-11-17 32134, 2005
ruaok
if there is a consnesus then SC should make an edict and people should follow it.
2005-11-17 32143, 2005
_mo
no concensus
2005-11-17 32156, 2005
g0llum
no consensus, because that UI can't handle the requirements.
2005-11-17 32157, 2005
RodBegbie
the problem is that most of the people making the changes back never entered into the discussion in the first place.
2005-11-17 32113, 2005
_mo
'ere we go again
2005-11-17 32119, 2005
g0llum
RodBegbie: correct
2005-11-17 32140, 2005
RodBegbie
_mo: No, seriously, that's the problem.
2005-11-17 32145, 2005
g0llum
i have to admit i do not care for particular artists too much
2005-11-17 32104, 2005
g0llum
i could live with some albums being VA until whatever
2005-11-17 32104, 2005
_mo
you wanna remove my automods privs
2005-11-17 32106, 2005
_mo
go a head
2005-11-17 32114, 2005
ruaok
_mo: as a personal favor can you STOP for a while?
2005-11-17 32115, 2005
_mo
will just take longer to do the things I already do
2005-11-17 32120, 2005
_mo
I have!
2005-11-17 32124, 2005
ruaok
HairMetalAddict: you too please!
2005-11-17 32126, 2005
_mo
I did soem queen mods and thats it
2005-11-17 32138, 2005
RodBegbie
I don't want this to be a bad-blood split-the-group thing.
2005-11-17 32148, 2005
ruaok
_mo: I dont want to remove anyone's privs.
2005-11-17 32155, 2005
_mo
I dson't mind really
2005-11-17 32100, 2005
ruaok
I'm just asking you nicely to not cause more trouble.
2005-11-17 32104, 2005
_mo
as I havent been batch redoign mods of anyone
2005-11-17 32107, 2005
RodBegbie
It's been handled badly, but I genuinely saw from the discussions on mb-style that there was big big support for the change.
2005-11-17 32109, 2005
g0llum
if it concerns big artists like Queen and Bowie, this gives n:m relationships some more weight (compared to what we discussed for compound artists recently, ruoak)
2005-11-17 32113, 2005
_mo
thats HMA on zouth afaik
2005-11-17 32134, 2005
Russss
as I see it at the moment, it's bad for the MusicBrainz database as a whole, because albums won't be listed on the artist pages and people will add duplicates (the Kruder and Dorfmeister effect ;).
2005-11-17 32152, 2005
g0llum
Russss: uuh, K&D sessions :}
2005-11-17 32131, 2005
nikki__
I'd at least like a nice clear notice and page explaining what the new rules are if something changes
2005-11-17 32143, 2005
ValHallA|SW`gone has quit
2005-11-17 32151, 2005
nikki__
one minute there's a huge thread in mb-style, next thing people are changing artists saying there's a new feat rule
2005-11-17 32159, 2005
_mo
exactly
2005-11-17 32105, 2005
slaad
And lasers!
2005-11-17 32107, 2005
RodBegbie
yep.
2005-11-17 32116, 2005
_mo
that was a joke
2005-11-17 32116, 2005
g0llum
you can't complain if you haven't followed the discussion!
2005-11-17 32117, 2005
Russss
sharks with lasers
2005-11-17 32133, 2005
ojnkpjg
the discussion was mostly noise
2005-11-17 32135, 2005
slaad
That shoot bees out of their mouth when they bark.
2005-11-17 32136, 2005
nikki__
g0llum: I shouldn't have to follow a huge discussion to be informed when something changes
2005-11-17 32137, 2005
ojnkpjg
it was very hard to follow
2005-11-17 32142, 2005
_mo is havign an asbergers moment: sharks? o_O
2005-11-17 32144, 2005
ojnkpjg
then there was something about +1 and -1
2005-11-17 32146, 2005
ojnkpjg
and 40 emails per day
2005-11-17 32153, 2005
nikki__
exactly
2005-11-17 32153, 2005
ojnkpjg
it's unreasonable to expect people to read all of that
2005-11-17 32155, 2005
g0llum
yes, it was noisy because people mixed up issues
2005-11-17 32113, 2005
nikki__
I've been having only a couple of hours of internet access a day, I don't have *time* to read the entire thing
2005-11-17 32114, 2005
ojnkpjg
well, i don't know about everybody else, but i gave up on the thread around about the 100th useless post
2005-11-17 32131, 2005
g0llum
it was never the intent to getridoffeat, accounted for about 80% of the thread until people finally understood
2005-11-17 32139, 2005
_mo
I gave up on it when ruaok said it was annoying
2005-11-17 32148, 2005
RodBegbie
question for the dissenters: if an email went out to mb-announce announcing the change, would you have spent today undoing changes?
2005-11-17 32102, 2005
_mo
no we woulkd be askign you wtf?
2005-11-17 32105, 2005
ojnkpjg
i'm not going to undo anything
2005-11-17 32114, 2005
ojnkpjg
i'd rather people who made the mods undo them if they see fit
2005-11-17 32136, 2005
ojnkpjg
but i think you'd find it was news to a lot of people if such an email were sent out
2005-11-17 32139, 2005
g0llum thinks if people read the mails properly, got sober before writing a response the mb-style discussion could have been resolved more quickly :)
2005-11-17 32143, 2005
ojnkpjg
well, if it were sent out yesterday
2005-11-17 32144, 2005
ruaok
can someone do me a favor?
2005-11-17 32151, 2005
nikki__
depends what it is
2005-11-17 32155, 2005
_mo
yea?
2005-11-17 32103, 2005
ruaok
I can't manage to read 200 style guidline emails to clue myself into the situation.
2005-11-17 32108, 2005
Russss
I have to admit I gave up on the mb-style discussion a while back
2005-11-17 32109, 2005
Russss
hah
2005-11-17 32114, 2005
RodBegbie
i guess my question is really this: Is this a breakdown of process? It's a heated debate, thats for sure.
2005-11-17 32121, 2005
ruaok
can someone please give me a quick link that points to each of the two sides on this current debate?
2005-11-17 32125, 2005
RodBegbie
I was the one proposing the change, and I gave up about once a week!
