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SenScrooge
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SenScrooge
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SenScrooge
i suspect thats a poort artist choice
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SenScrooge
and maybe point him towards a german version of the style guide
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nikki` yawns
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Shepard
sen: which german version of the style guide?
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fuchs
Frau Thomas Mann? ;)
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Shepard
konnte sich nicht entscheiden
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SenScrooge
you never translated the style guide?
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Shepard
no
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SenScrooge
why not?
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Shepard
err.. work?
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Shepard
nah i just don't know if the wiki is ready for this yet
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nechto13
hello everyone
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Shepard
hi
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nechto13
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nechto13
if you end up voting it down please tell me why
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SenScrooge
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nechto13
can someone tell me if an album can have an unknown track?
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Shepard
yes
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Shepard
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nechto13
umm, so if i don't know the name of the track i'd put untitled?
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Shepard
no, you call it [untitled] (really with brackets) if it has no given title
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Shepard
if the title is just unknown (that is if you couldn't find any information about it after extensive research), call it [unknown]
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nechto13
allright. can i use existing NATs in an album or to create an album?
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Shepard`
Shepard` is now known as Shepard
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Shepard
no. but you should delete them if they are on an album
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inhouseuk
you mean move the NAT tracks into an album? I don't believe it is possible to do that
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nechto13
ok, thanks Shepard
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SenScrooge
so i just broke my videocard somehow
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SenScrooge
while pushing my tower to the left 1.5 inches
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SenScrooge
and now my speakers work again o_o
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nikki` inserts the default win me excuse :P
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nikki`
bah
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nikki`
I don't want to listen to any of my music
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nikki`
I'm just sat here skipping everything
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nikki`
oh arse...
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nikki`
I think I nuked my picard settings at some point and forgot to set them properly
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nikki`
hmm
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nikki`
maybe not.
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nikki`
hmph.
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inhouseuk battles with the client library :(
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nikki`
eyeD3 can few both fine...
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nikki`
view not few
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nikki`
but mpd reads one as unicode and the other as the same number of questions
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nikki`
er
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nikki`
question marks
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inhouseuk
but eyeD3 show them both as unicode?
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nikki`
yes
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inhouseuk
maybe the data type hasn't been set correctly for the frame and for the wierd file mpd is seeing it as latin1
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nikki`
nah
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nikki`
if that were the case, it would be gibberish
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nikki`
although quite possibly something along those lines
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inhouseuk
the --debug option on eyeD3 will show the textframe encoding
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nikki`
I wish I could customise how it displays stuff
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nikki`
it takes too much space
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nikki`
all utf-8
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inhouseuk
the eyeD3 program is just an example of how the library can be used, just hack it, it's only python code with calls to the library
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nikki`
hmm
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inhouseuk
if there are utf-8, they must be id3v2.4 tags then?
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nikki`
yes
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inhouseuk
have you got font mapping for the unicode that displays as ???????
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nikki`
hmm?
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inhouseuk has problems with korean showing as ???
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nikki`
oh, that's not the problem
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nikki`
they're duplicates
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nikki`
but the more recently tagged one shows question marks whereas the older one shows it properly
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nikki`
it seems to be happening for all the newer unicode, so I'm trying to work out why
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inhouseuk
does eyeD3 with debug show the same byte sequences in the text frames on the two files
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inhouseuk
it might be an endian problem
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nikki` wonders why picard would have suddenly started using a different endian
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inhouseuk
great :( my email to mb-dev got placed on hold because it was over 40K, there was an rdf output attachment on it!
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nikki`
:/
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nikki`
hmm
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inhouseuk
I'll cancel it and compress the attachment
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flamingcow
paste a web link?
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SenScrooge
Shepard, my guinne pig, are you still awake?
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Shepard
*snore*
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nikki`
the working file starts with ID3 x04 x00 x00 x00 x03 x34 x72, whereas the non-working one has ID3 x04 x00 x00 x00 x00 x08 x3d ...
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SenScrooge
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SenScrooge
can you see if thers anyway to order backissues or something there?
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SenScrooge
i need a cassette called "Backstage" from Dec 2003
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Shepard
nothing found in the store..
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SenScrooge
its number 60...
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SenScrooge
i found 62-65 or something >.<
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SenScrooge
ok well thanks for looking
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inhouseuk put the rdf as a text file on his webserver
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nikki`
aha!
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inhouseuk
you found the problem?
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nikki`
it's something in those bytes.
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nikki`
when I replaced the x00 x08 x3d in the non-working file with the x03 x34 x72 from the working file, mpd reads it fine
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inhouseuk
the id3 version number is somewhere at the beginning of the file
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nikki`
yeah, those are the ame
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nikki`
same.
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inhouseuk
what you need to do is look at the mp3 spec and see what those bytes are used for
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nikki` is looking at the id3v2.4 thingy
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nikki` is not understanding
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inhouseuk
that documentation is horrible
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inhouseuk
did eyeD3 -v show the same frames on the two files
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nikki`
yes
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inhouseuk
damn
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inhouseuk
have you got hexdump installed? the output from hexdump -C is quite useful as it shows the hex and displayable text
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nikki` used xxd
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nikki`
huh
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nikki`
oh wait
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nikki`
it was stupid id3v1 tags confusing it...
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nikki`
I'd told mpd to read them as utf-8, as picard writes v1 whether I want them or not
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nikki`
but it seems it can't do that
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inhouseuk
ah! v1 tags can only contain latin1
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nikki`
I know
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nikki`
but picard writes them as utf-8 for me
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inhouseuk
that is very wrong
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nikki`
of course it is! I told it to not write v1 tags!
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SenScrooge
weeeird you guys
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inhouseuk
but it still wrote them? and mpd took them in preference to the v2.4 ones?
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SenScrooge
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nikki`
yes :(
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nikki`
mpd is screwy like that
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SenScrooge
someone took the time to wiki all the nudity in The Simpsons
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nikki` gets out find...
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nikki`
I should have probably limited it to mp3 files...
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inhouseuk
SenScrooge: the person that compiled that page is very sad
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nikki`
waht're you doing anyway, inhouseuk?
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Shepard
inhouseuk: since when are filename problems a reason to adjust the data in MB? o_O
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Shepard
one can exaggerate the tagging purpose of the data...
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inhouseuk
me? doing some coding
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nikki`
for what?
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nikki`
or is it sekrit?
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inhouseuk
Shepard: I didn't say it was, but it is nice to have a valid substitute
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nikki` is mostly being nosy for lack of anything else to do
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nechto13
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inhouseuk
I'm was doing some code using the client library for myself, but also some network monitoring stuff for a client
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Shepard
inhouseuk: now we have inconsistency between the duplicate albums... also i think the older ID should be the one with the correct entry :)
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inhouseuk
the network monitoring stuff is mainly just config and some scripting around nagios, so that isn't too hard
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inhouseuk
Shepard: to be honest, I don't particularly care!
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Shepard
ha
