nechto13 turns invisible and starts running all over the place, but no one notices because everyone is to busy ignoring him
2005-12-06 34019, 2005
nikki`
I can't log into test.mb :(
2005-12-06 34042, 2005
Shepard
nechto13: not ignoring you, just don't want to handle with this case now :)
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
nikki`
nechto13: if you don't get an answer from us, it probably means we don't really care about or follow what you're asking us about
2005-12-06 34031, 2005
Shepard
it means we are asshats
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
nechto13
umm thanks, i guess?
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
inhouseuk
Shepard: one of my clients was intending to use MB for a project, with all the stupidity and bickering they've seen over the last couple of weeks they are now going to probably use a combination of graceshit and AMG
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
nikki`
oh dear.
2005-12-06 34058, 2005
nechto13
ooh graceshit, where do i find that?
2005-12-06 34008, 2005
nikki`
ahh
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
Shepard
err.. want do you want to tell me with that? that I'm responsible for stupidity? that this case is stupid? (yes it is) or why do you address me with that?
2005-12-06 34046, 2005
inhouseuk
it also means that I probably won't be required to do the coding for the project, therefore no money for me :(
2005-12-06 34053, 2005
nikki`
now that I've nuked those icky id3v1 tags, everything shows up fine :)
2005-12-06 34054, 2005
nikki`
aww
2005-12-06 34029, 2005
nechto13 goes back to his quest for the chocolate and non-asshats
2005-12-06 34052, 2005
inhouseuk
Shepard: I wasn't pointing fingers at anybody in particular, my client is just amazed that the MB is even considering promoting itself to commercial companies, they don't view MB as being professional in the way that it approaches things
2005-12-06 34020, 2005
Shepard
people say the same about wikipedia
2005-12-06 34053, 2005
inhouseuk
I'm not aware that wikipedia sells data licences
2005-12-06 34015, 2005
Shepard
though it's the most popular encyclopedia in the web
2005-12-06 34045, 2005
inhouseuk
my client likes the idea of unicode, but as an addition to standard latin1, they would rather go to graceshit with the complete lack of unicode support than use a datasource that forces unicode use without providing a suitable alternative representation
2005-12-06 34047, 2005
Shepard
well you know about TurningYourIdeasIntoReality - if you want the money you could try to help with adjusting the processes to make them more professional
2005-12-06 34019, 2005
nikki`
grumblegrumblegrumble
2005-12-06 34038, 2005
nikki`
I created another account on test but I can't seem to get the email verification :/
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
inhouseuk
maybe test hasn't got sendmail running on it
2005-12-06 34054, 2005
Shepard
hum my account works with the pw of the main server there
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
nikki`
mine doesn't.
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
nikki`
because Nikki isn't nikki.
2005-12-06 34041, 2005
Shepard
:/
2005-12-06 34024, 2005
inhouseuk
Shepard: yes, I could, but that would take a considerable amount of my unpaid time, currently a lot of work needs doing on various MB things such as processes, documentation, etc
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
inhouseuk
one of the major worries they had/have is the accidental corruption of good data, which is why I brought up the data locking/protection discussion a couple of weeks ago
2005-12-06 34017, 2005
nikki`
ahh
2005-12-06 34044, 2005
inhouseuk
that like the idea of using a open solution for their project, but their reputation will depend on the quality and usefulness of that data to their customers
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
inhouseuk
s/that/they
2005-12-06 34005, 2005
nikki` understands
2005-12-06 34020, 2005
inhouseuk
in other words, if their customers don't like what they get, they are unlikely to get repeat business from them
2005-12-06 34041, 2005
nikki` idly notes how *long* everything takes if you're not an automod
2005-12-06 34047, 2005
jbo has quit
2005-12-06 34017, 2005
inhouseuk
they would have also probably contributed a far amount of data to MB, certainly when it comes to discids
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
inhouseuk
s/far/fair
2005-12-06 34038, 2005
nikki`
:/
2005-12-06 34034, 2005
nikki` goes to catch a few more hours sleep
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
inhouseuk
sleep well!
2005-12-06 34035, 2005
nikki`
thanks!
2005-12-06 34045, 2005
SenScrooge
night nikki
2005-12-06 34008, 2005
Shepard
me too, night
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
SenScrooge
nacht shepard
2005-12-06 34047, 2005
chocomo roll bla
2005-12-06 34053, 2005
teleGUISE joined the channel
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
teleGUISE
Is it nothing but the crickets and lurkers at this hour?
2005-12-06 34040, 2005
chocomo roll scho
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
teleGUISE
is that choco rolling around in a chocolate dream?
2005-12-06 34052, 2005
teleGUISE
I take it SenScroog is aka SenRepus
2005-12-06 34020, 2005
inhouseuk
yup
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
inhouseuk
he was here until about an hour ago
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
teleGUISE
inhouseuk: IC.. went to to local electronics outlet today and looked, every single Antec power supply no longer has that pin... but every other company I looked at does.
2005-12-06 34042, 2005
inhouseuk
so antec are the only ones that have dropped the -5V rail
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
inhouseuk
that makes me think they have mis-interpreted the spec
2005-12-06 34044, 2005
teleGUISE
so it seems... though i dont remember if you recall the one spec did say it had N/C
2005-12-06 34019, 2005
inhouseuk
yeah, I think I did see that somewhere
2005-12-06 34037, 2005
inhouseuk
enermax are a good alternative to antec
2005-12-06 34013, 2005
teleGUISE
I saw them.. ones on the shelf were kind of upper end (overkill for the ap)
2005-12-06 34018, 2005
teleGUISE
wow.. didn't even notice till looking online they are made in the U.S.?!?
2005-12-06 34044, 2005
nechto13
teleGUISE: could you drop me a line about MOD 3837778 or add a note. i'd like to know why you voted that way. thanks
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
teleGUISE
nechto13: ok..will do later.. it was all very confusing and was considering changing to abstain.. it just seemed the points were in favor the other way.. but will do
2005-12-06 34051, 2005
teleGUISE
though i have to say.. i think navigation on their site sucks
2005-12-06 34008, 2005
inhouseuk
teleGUISE: enermax?
2005-12-06 34023, 2005
teleGUISE
yeah..
2005-12-06 34052, 2005
inhouseuk
the site is also very slow (or at least it is here)
2005-12-06 34053, 2005
teleGUISE
to me it looks like the +Products , +whatever would mean the + expands
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
teleGUISE
what the heck is a plus used for if it doesnt expand?
2005-12-06 34019, 2005
inhouseuk
to show you where you are, I've seen another company use a similar style recently, probably using the same web content management system
2005-12-06 34049, 2005
teleGUISE
well where am i :)?? the front page... where's a product list?
2005-12-06 34046, 2005
teleGUISE
it's so odd all these people talk about atx v2.01 why don't any of them tout the latest specs?
hmmm.. well looking at a supply thats to atx 2.2 spec... i don't see a -5v spec
2005-12-06 34041, 2005
teleGUISE
the elt400,500 & 620's all don't have -5v output
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
inhouseuk
okay, so they agree with antec on that
2005-12-06 34018, 2005
inhouseuk
but at least they do have previous spec products available
2005-12-06 34029, 2005
teleGUISE
it appears.. though exactly what I was going to say
2005-12-06 34024, 2005
teleGUISE
so it's intel for being so stupid and antec for trusting them
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
inhouseuk
this could be a major issue for people with older motherboards
2005-12-06 34049, 2005
inhouseuk
it could be interpreted as another way that intel are attempting to force people to upgrade their machines
2005-12-06 34009, 2005
teleGUISE
i cant believe Ill be the first.. I was starting to draft up a letter to antec.. that means -none- of their supplies will support any board requiring -5v.. and i wouldn't think that board was the only one ever made
2005-12-06 34052, 2005
inhouseuk
well they've lost me as a customer, not that they will care about that anyway
2005-12-06 34019, 2005
teleGUISE
yea.. i'd have to say i always boasted about their stuff... I don't have the fanciest of fancy from them but 2 of my boxes are Antec cases with Antec psu's.. and never a hint of trouble but this puts a spin on things
2005-12-06 34020, 2005
inhouseuk
I've got antec supplies in 2 of my machines and I've installed them in quite a few others
2005-12-06 34022, 2005
duncf joined the channel
2005-12-06 34044, 2005
teleGUISE
throughout the year i've done the same... obviously not Intel boards or one's that required -5v anyway ;)
2005-12-06 34046, 2005
inhouseuk
any new machines I build for myself or build for my customers will use either enermax or non branded ones
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
teleGUISE
so your enermax or any ole generic for your low end builds, huh
2005-12-06 34026, 2005
inhouseuk normally builds a couple of machines a month
2005-12-06 34038, 2005
inhouseuk
yup
2005-12-06 34034, 2005
teleGUISE
well I have to say in my experience with generics... as long as your not loading them to much over 50% of their 'rated load' the only problem i've ever come across is slightly noisy fans w/not a long longevity but usually people are ready to build a new system by then luckily
2005-12-06 34023, 2005
inhouseuk
yes, the only problems I've found with generics are fan related, for normal daily desktop machine use they are okay, but tend to wearout and get noisy for machines that are on 24/7
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
teleGUISE
actually in a persons box with a infamous ECS 5A board the not so tight generic psu worked where the tight supplies caused issues...though really an issue of the ECS board...
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
teleGUISE
so i think it's a semi-generic for mom.. (she hates noise ;) ) and work on getting her updated to this decade before it's over
2005-12-06 34039, 2005
inhouseuk
I've seen similar in the past with a board that was slightly off spec, it was very particular about the psu, In the end I swapped out the board for another one and returned it as faulty
2005-12-06 34037, 2005
inhouseuk
buy a mid range generic with a temperature controlled fan
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
teleGUISE
yea i was looking at Thermaltakes 430 though need to see if it's temp controlled it has dual 80mm and an Ultra 400.. happened to be 2 on the shelf not all that pricey that's why
2005-12-06 34001, 2005
inhouseuk
thermalakes are okay, I've used a couple in the past
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
g0llum joined the channel
2005-12-06 34055, 2005
g0llum
moin
2005-12-06 34004, 2005
inhouseuk
howdy g0llum
2005-12-06 34010, 2005
teleGUISE
matter of fact on the ECS board a buddy just gave me one cuz he became frustrated with it.. ECS K7S5A's were very picky.. I put some ddr in it and modified the bios and clocked a duron up pretty good and no blue screens or nothin
2005-12-06 34016, 2005
teleGUISE
Hey there Mr G'
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
teleGUISE
how did things go with the Summit?
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
inhouseuk generally doesn't overclock machines, stability can become an issue
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
teleGUISE neither do I.. but just wanted to taunt my buddy that gave me the board ;)
2005-12-06 34018, 2005
g0llum
moin tele, things are looking good.
2005-12-06 34028, 2005
g0llum
what are you up to
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
teleGUISE
now he wants it back ... though he was just joking... though i might give it to him..
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
teleGUISE
That's good to here... anything we could get excited about that really might happen in this lifetime ;)?
2005-12-06 34045, 2005
g0llum
have you seen what we are planning to revert the reversion of the styleguide change ;)
Oh boy... is that going to take a few times to get used to seeing!
2005-12-06 34034, 2005
teleGUISE
i'll be scrolling back up expecting to see VA at the top every time
2005-12-06 34054, 2005
inhouseuk doesn't use the tagger or picard. all files are encoded and tagged when they are ripped from CD
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
g0llum
but it's good, isn't it
2005-12-06 34028, 2005
inhouseuk
yes g0llum the solution is good
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
nechto13
i like it
2005-12-06 34040, 2005
g0llum
there just needs to be some styleguide how to handle series like GU, or series with changing mix artists
2005-12-06 34006, 2005
teleGUISE
yes.. it is... good.. just need to teach the old dogs a new trick... though why is the artist for track 1 just Roni Size and in the current db Roni Size & Reprazent?
2005-12-06 34026, 2005
g0llum
uhm. check the album mods
2005-12-06 34032, 2005
g0llum hides
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
g0llum
i went after discogs as i undid my stupid mistake
2005-12-06 34002, 2005
inhouseuk
g0llum: I guess it didn't take much coding to impiement as artists are already stored on the tracks even for single artist albums
