you mean there was already a artist id spot in the db for each track even though it was a single artist or not?
2005-12-06 34015, 2005
g0llum
yes
2005-12-06 34027, 2005
inhouseuk
yes, already there and used
2005-12-06 34029, 2005
g0llum
mac and sac, as well as move_album mess with the track artists
2005-12-06 34036, 2005
g0llum
this had to be adjusted
2005-12-06 34044, 2005
g0llum
and the showartist page
2005-12-06 34007, 2005
teleGUISE
ah... so a little smarter usage of what we had
2005-12-06 34056, 2005
teleGUISE
so when's this going live?
2005-12-06 34005, 2005
g0llum
the good thing is, that now the disputed Styleguide change can be put into action again
2005-12-06 34053, 2005
teleGUISE
and do we think MBtagger is going to be made current?
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duncf has quit
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teleGUISE
cuz I have to say I support Picard.. but it has some quirks and issues that MBtagger doesn't
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
teleGUISE
or maybe I just now how to workaround them better .. anyhow ;)
2005-12-06 34004, 2005
inhouseuk
also remember it doesn't support trm
2005-12-06 34014, 2005
teleGUISE
I still use MBtagger 95% of the time.. cuz of the issues I found w/Picard and when it takes 5minutes to tag 1 album .. it's a little frustrating..
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
g0llum
mb_tagger, almost certainly not
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
teleGUISE
gee..imagine that... ;) ru is becoming like Intel .. force the user to upgrade ;)
2005-12-06 34015, 2005
g0llum
it's going live, once we've tested it.
2005-12-06 34018, 2005
g0llum grins
2005-12-06 34029, 2005
teleGUISE
well I protest! Guess all my non mix albums will still be tagged with MBtagger then... and ill figure out what to do with the others..
2005-12-06 34034, 2005
inhouseuk
and announced the change properly to users and customers I hope
2005-12-06 34020, 2005
teleGUISE
Yea... one thing I always thought MB should have is little blurbs... along the way.. to guide people along
2005-12-06 34046, 2005
teleGUISE
it assumes everyone reads the wiki front to back.. and we all know that just doesn't happen
2005-12-06 34050, 2005
teleGUISE
I know the little blurbs then require more maitenance to keep current... but there has to be a spot we could set up as a blurb in each wiki page that could make use of it.. where as updating the wiki would still update the blurb
2005-12-06 34010, 2005
teleGUISE
s/maitenance/maintainence
2005-12-06 34040, 2005
teleGUISE
gee I cant spell today.. thats maintenance :)
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
inhouseuk thinks an irc client with a builtin spellchecker would be useful
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
g0llum
you are familiar with the wikidocs concept?
2005-12-06 34009, 2005
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teleGUISE
i dont know if that makes sense to anyone...
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
g0llum
this would be wikidocs v. II
2005-12-06 34031, 2005
g0llum
currently, it supports transclusion of full pages
2005-12-06 34000, 2005
g0llum
but i'm afraid, ru and i are the only mb_server coders as it is
2005-12-06 34012, 2005
g0llum
and i'm getting the feeling i'm putting to much time into it as of lately
2005-12-06 34018, 2005
g0llum
s/to/too
2005-12-06 34044, 2005
inhouseuk
to be honest the current MB documentation is scattered all over the place and needs a serious makeover
2005-12-06 34016, 2005
nechto13
i personally would like MB to have a sitemap so that it would be easier to find all thelp pages, but i'd never suggest that would take precedence over track and album aliases or disasterrelief
2005-12-06 34018, 2005
teleGUISE
that's for sure.... that's why I know having blurbs would add more insult to injury... but.....
2005-12-06 34026, 2005
nechto13
*help pages
2005-12-06 34036, 2005
inhouseuk
the libmusicbrainz documentation is almost useless
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teleGUISE
docs are always the fault of most 'free' projects.. unfortunately
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
teleGUISE
look at LAME & EAC if it weren't for the huge user base there wouldn't be squat
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
inhouseuk
true, but I've also seen some of the best documentation ever on free projects as well
we, the developers certainly don't like writting docs :p
2005-12-06 34033, 2005
g0llum
we have enough non-devs who could help
2005-12-06 34049, 2005
teleGUISE
yea.. but it's also hard to get the developers to speak... and then speak english to people who would/could
2005-12-06 34014, 2005
g0llum
the mb-devs are very communicative people, i think.
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
g0llum
and most can express them very well (me excluded) ;)
2005-12-06 34029, 2005
g0llum
themselves
2005-12-06 34032, 2005
inhouseuk
the trouble with non-devs writing the docs, is they need to understand it first
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
teleGUISE
thats what I meant by getting them to speak and then speak english... they need to understand what it is they are writing about
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
g0llum
that's a bad excuse, we're hanging out here, and one could always ask
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
g0llum
look at the AdvancedRelationShip types in the wiki, matthew_exon and others figured it out themselves
2005-12-06 34037, 2005
g0llum
anyway.
2005-12-06 34045, 2005
g0llum
the biggest change in the new database schema would be
2005-12-06 34050, 2005
teleGUISE
I'm bad at writing that stuff since I want to know the technical aspects of things which isn't really necessary when trying to write docs for users
2005-12-06 34008, 2005
g0llum
a wiki-style editing for field values, where changes are applied automatically but can be reverted easily
2005-12-06 34027, 2005
g0llum
we'll need to think about album/artist locking, how that would affect the new editing scheme
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
g0llum
moving objects around in the structure would still be mods, like they are handled today (voting, delayed and unreversible apply)
2005-12-06 34022, 2005
teleGUISE
I like locking... it would save a lot of the stupid redundant votes/edits lots of us have to make
2005-12-06 34046, 2005
nechto13
i'd definitely contribute to writing documentation especially if someone would provide some sort of direction as to what the result should look like
2005-12-06 34054, 2005
g0llum
internationalisation was a big issue, and we need some input if we got it right
2005-12-06 34002, 2005
inhouseuk
for commercial use, locking is essential
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
teleGUISE
i could see that.. cuz they want to know if today the database says this.. that if its correct tomorrow it will say the same
2005-12-06 34010, 2005
inhouseuk
yup, without an accidental edit getting through that corrupts it
2005-12-06 34016, 2005
teleGUISE
and not something obscure cuz there are 40 abstains and it finally became accepted
2005-12-06 34052, 2005
g0llum
most of the RFE's were developed with the current schema and workflows in mind
2005-12-06 34007, 2005
g0llum
i just ask of you to review the new schema, and think how it would fit there
2005-12-06 34034, 2005
inhouseuk
I'll have a look at it later when I have a few hours
2005-12-06 34041, 2005
g0llum
good
2005-12-06 34045, 2005
teleGUISE
it appears short enough to be all printable.. I do better with that stuff in print..
2005-12-06 34031, 2005
g0llum
i had to use Din-A2 format to fit all the tables into the ERM
2005-12-06 34038, 2005
g0llum
and it's only the new ones ;)
2005-12-06 34041, 2005
teleGUISE
well... the main scope anyhow
2005-12-06 34049, 2005
g0llum
you'll be the person who knows if labels/catno/ean/upc etc. are in the right place
2005-12-06 34005, 2005
teleGUISE
:)
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MrQwerty has quit
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teleGUISE
so was any/part of this written (code wise) or since just discussed not yet?
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
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teleGUISE
uh oh.. hide ;)
2005-12-06 34040, 2005
ruaok
moing everyone!
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
teleGUISE
Hola
2005-12-06 34001, 2005
ruaok
that's the german mexican version of moin
2005-12-06 34058, 2005
teleGUISE
i guess everyone took my advice ... and did Hide ;)=
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asdfqwerty has quit
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ruaok
smart folks
2005-12-06 34058, 2005
teleGUISE
and the leave me here to fend for myself, what a support team
2005-12-06 34005, 2005
teleGUISE
s/the/they
2005-12-06 34012, 2005
teleGUISE
so are you home sweat home now?? I didnt recall seeing anything beyond Sunday on the summit page
2005-12-06 34038, 2005
teleGUISE
geez s/sweat/sweet... i really need that irc client with a dictionary
2005-12-06 34019, 2005
ruaok
yes and no.
2005-12-06 34027, 2005
ruaok
I'm in my sweet home of Hamburg.
2005-12-06 34028, 2005
teleGUISE
inhouseuk: hmmm looked up a psu by atx v2.0 spec and it doesn't show a -5v rail...
2005-12-06 34047, 2005
ruaok
but I'm not back in cali. not until dec 13
2005-12-06 34057, 2005
inhouseuk
that's strange
2005-12-06 34017, 2005
teleGUISE
oh... so is it all play till then? or going to meet up with some others that werent able to make it to the summit?
2005-12-06 34041, 2005
ruaok
it never was all play.... I am working on pimpmytunes right now.
2005-12-06 34047, 2005
teleGUISE
that was a enermax psu too...
2005-12-06 34050, 2005
ruaok
then on thursday its on to london.
2005-12-06 34003, 2005
ruaok
where I will cook dinner for inhouseuk and a bunch of others
2005-12-06 34006, 2005
ruaok
and have a board meeting.
2005-12-06 34010, 2005
ruaok
and meet with last fm.
2005-12-06 34017, 2005
ruaok
and write pimpmytunes
2005-12-06 34031, 2005
inhouseuk
when is the board meeting?
2005-12-06 34039, 2005
ruaok
friday
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
teleGUISE
ah... you get the meet that inhouse uk guy... he seems to be a pretty cool guy
2005-12-06 34056, 2005
ruaok nods
2005-12-06 34009, 2005
teleGUISE
is this a first?
2005-12-06 34015, 2005
inhouseuk
ruaok has already met me earlier in the year
2005-12-06 34016, 2005
ruaok
what a first?
2005-12-06 34034, 2005
teleGUISE
u 2 meeting...
2005-12-06 34049, 2005
ruaok
nope.
2005-12-06 34005, 2005
ruaok
this is the 4th reasonable large meeting of brainerz in the UK
2005-12-06 34038, 2005
ruaok
though this will be my first attempt to get people seriously schnockered
2005-12-06 34042, 2005
teleGUISE
wow... who else is typical for a UK meet?
2005-12-06 34001, 2005
ruaok
rj, russ, nikki, rjmunro, john carter
2005-12-06 34017, 2005
teleGUISE
Russ is aka last fm, correct?
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
ruaok
inhouseuk of course, djce, soccos
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
ruaok nods
2005-12-06 34050, 2005
teleGUISE
soccos?... that one doesnt ring any bells.. must be a behind the scene'r
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
ruaok
paul sharpe. fairly large cash donor.
2005-12-06 34025, 2005
ruaok
and all around great guy.
2005-12-06 34029, 2005
teleGUISE
soccos is aka Paul Sharpe?
2005-12-06 34046, 2005
ruaok nods
2005-12-06 34008, 2005
teleGUISE
ah..so correct a behind the scene'r but a verrrry important one ;)-
2005-12-06 34030, 2005
ruaok
more periphery than behind the scenes
2005-12-06 34043, 2005
teleGUISE
so we haven't reached video teleconferencing status yet huh?
2005-12-06 34058, 2005
ruaok
we could...
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
ruaok
but, things are so very informal that its not interesting to watch
2005-12-06 34013, 2005
teleGUISE
bringing all the guys from the Hamburg summit to the ones unavailable in the UK
2005-12-06 34008, 2005
teleGUISE
i gather... i just thought maybe when you guys did start cranking on real ideas... having live input from the others might help...or if not the hang up button always works ;)
2005-12-06 34049, 2005
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ruaok
we had a PERFECT balance.
2005-12-06 34011, 2005
teleGUISE
inhouseuk: ok.. now i can't find a Enermax psu with a -5v rail ;)
2005-12-06 34031, 2005
ruaok
any more and we would've gotten less done. any less and we would've represented fewer viewpoints
2005-12-06 34052, 2005
teleGUISE
that's good.. G' popper in earlier and sounded like things went well.. and some real progress was and is to be made
2005-12-06 34001, 2005
teleGUISE
s/popper/popped
2005-12-06 34021, 2005
teleGUISE
that or you had him so schnockered he doesn't recall
2005-12-06 34016, 2005
ruaok
nope. none of us got schnockered enough to even record the drinking song.
2005-12-06 34027, 2005
ruaok
perhaps I can try that in london :=)
2005-12-06 34048, 2005
teleGUISE
inhouseuk: gosh site speed is pathetic...makes MBrainz look like a Ferrari ;) ... wow.. had to go back to ATX 1.3 to find a -5v rating
