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      • g0llum
        ruaok: that was fast :)

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      • _rj
        we're using trac too.. it's pretty useful

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      • g0llum
        did you use sqlite?

        • 2005-12-12 34629, 2005

      • g0llum
        does it not have a user registration process?

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      • g0llum
        maybe we can integrate it with the mb_server user database

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      • g0llum
        that would be really cool

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      • ruaok
        another day perhaps.

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      • g0llum
        ruaok: got my pmsg? can you give me admin permissions, i'd like to setup some categories

        • 2005-12-12 34622, 2005

      • g0llum
        when i say we, i don't mean you have to do anything. :)

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      • ruaok
        lets leave the general musicbrainz:musicbrainz login for general bug reporters.

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      • ruaok
        and devs get accounts.

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      • ruaok
        http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracPermis…

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      • g0llum
        yes. that's the cool thing

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      • ruaok
        ok, done.

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      • Russ[work]
        we use sqlite, yes

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      • ruaok
        do you want me to remove the mb:mb account?

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      • Russ[work]
        because it's easier

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      • ruaok
        thats what I opted for too.

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      • ruaok
        its too piddley for pg

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      • luks joined the channel

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      • luks has quit

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      • g0llum
        ruaok: if you have no return address for anonymous users, it can be difficult if the bug report does not include sufficient information. does this mean the bug report is deleted if one can't reproduce the error? :)

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      • ruaok
        it should.

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      • ruaok
        that is what I do with anon bug reports on SF.

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      • ruaok
        anon buggy bug reports, that is.

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      • ruaok
        FYI: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/archives/2005/12/boar…

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      • ruaok goes to pick up a present for the sugar mama at FCUK

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      • g0llum
        can you give me the admin account details for trac

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      • g0llum
        such that i can help tarragon setup a similar structure like on the RT for comparison?

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      • ruaok
        its a command line script that needs to be executed.

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      • ruaok returned from FCUK empty handed.

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      • ruaok
        I'm too big and GF is too small for london sizes. sheesh.

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      • g0llum
        artsy-fartsy store. don't grief about it

        • 2005-12-12 34638, 2005

      • ruaok
        yes, but they had a PERFECT shirt for my GF>

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      • ruaok
        redardless of what the store stands for.

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      • g0llum
        that's bad. maybe you can cut the print out and glue it onto another :)

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      • ruaok
        Ok, I'll take a pic and make it myself. should be MUCH cheaper too

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      • ruaok
        but I currently have no present for my GF. not a good sit.

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      • g0llum
        does she like market-stuff. if yes, camden market is a good place to find presets

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      • g0llum
        grmbl. prese_n_ts

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      • mustaqila
        Camden is awesome

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      • mustaqila needs to go down Camden again sometime soon heh

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      • ruaok
        g0llum: I spent two hours there yesterday.

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      • ruaok
        and all the silver rings I get her last time, were still there.

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      • ruaok
        with nothing new. :-(

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      • g0llum
        :}

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      • g0llum
        that's certainly true.

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      • g0llum
        another indication that you are in the UK too often? :-)

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      • ruaok
        lol. yes, I suppose.

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      • ruaok
        but with my limited finances, I could not afford to go to a place where I would have to pay for lodging

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      • g0llum
        but all these markets suffer from those limitations

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      • g0llum
        it's strange and beautiful the first time

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      • g0llum
        sorry to annoy you again. what is the trac admin pw?

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      • ruaok
        there isn't one.

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      • ruaok
        I gave you TRAC_ADMIN privs

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      • ruaok
        yup, you have that priv.

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      • ruaok
        maybe log out and back in>?

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      • g0llum
        humm, are the categories / milestones set with the command-line tool?

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      • g0llum is confused

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      • ruaok
        dunno. I just installed it. :)

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      • g0llum
        hehe. that was a help request multicast

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      • ruaok
        yes, it appears that way.

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      • ruaok
        send me the list of cats/privs whatnot and I will do it.

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      • g0llum
        it appears we need to have some components (tagger, style issues, server, web services)

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      • ruaok nods.

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      • ruaok
        I'll do that when I get back from my familial duties.

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      • ruaok
        back in a bit!

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      • ruaok is away: famliy

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      • g0llum
        have fun

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      • ruaok
        thanks

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      • ruaok is away: family

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      • zout
        g0llum: hi

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      • zout
        what about http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/AlbumArtistStyle ?

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      • zout
        d'you agree?

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      • zout
        I think I agree with lukz, I just wrote down some possibilities

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      • g0llum
        mom. gotta read first

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      • g0llum
        yes. i agree 100%

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      • g0llum
        the ArtistPageRedesign page is a mess, unfortunately

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      • g0llum
        there is content which is more than 2 years old mixed with todo's etc.

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      • g0llum
        do you know how to do subpages?

        • 2005-12-12 34613, 2005

      • g0llum
        it could be split into old discussions, todo's and a page describing what we're intending to do

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      • zout
        agree with lukz?

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      • g0llum
        i think he's right about classical

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      • g0llum
        but dj mixes conflicts with the statement above, because they are written as the AlbumArtist in many cases

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      • g0llum
        or is the "unrelated to track artist" bit which rules DJ's out of this styleguideline?

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      • zout
        hmmm. let's check

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      • zout
        brb

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      • zout
        DJ mixes often have the Mix DJ's name prominently on the sleeve

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      • zout
        so they fall under category 3

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      • zout
        second example for that category is a DJ-Mix example

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      • zout
        frankly, I don't care whether the AlbumArtist is VA or someone else.

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      • zout
        as long as the guidelines are very clear on this

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      • zout
        otherwise it will turn into a mess.

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      • mustaqila has quit

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      • g0llum
        i had to laugh on the split artist mailing list thread

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      • g0llum
        as you've turned up 10 examples in no time for all the different permutations, in like 5 minutes

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      • mustaqila stabs windows with a spork

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      • g0llum ponders the possibility of a classicalbrainz.com website where all the strange albums could be found ;)

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      • zout
        g0llum: most were found by searching for 'Split'

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      • zout
        and '[untitled]'

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      • g0llum
        ah, so you don't have the db in your head? ;)

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      • zout
        the other one happened to be the only split artist release without 'split' I know ;)

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      • zout
        not yet, working on it ;)

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      • g0llum
        hrmm :)

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      • zout
        It's scary though I know some artistid with matching artist names ;)

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      • g0llum too. but that's because i work on the server software :)

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      • zout
        :)

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      • zout
        anyway: this is from a modnote by clutcher2: "I think and there's a general undergoing agreement to leave Album all by big classical performers with a discography under them."

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      • zout
        in other words: classical style guide seems to say different thing

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      • zout
        s

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      • mustaqila has quit

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      • g0llum
        in fact APR should display a list of albums where a classical performer has performed on. this needs AR on all the Album as well as the tracks if the album is not a concert but a compli(c)ation

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      • g0llum
        SG5DR is more a useful thing the "sum(compilations) where compilation not classical"

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      • zout
        so APR and SG5DR try, in a sense, to achieve the same for a subpart of all releases?

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      • g0llum
        i hope the AlbumAttributes rework will help figuring out how to display albums, too.

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      • g0llum
        yes.

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      • zout
        so what VA releases *should* have an AlbumArtist set?

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      • g0llum
        and i still hope we can have multiple artists per album/track such that the albums show up under the artists of a one-time collaboration rather than under another artist

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      • zout
        only those compilations, like the Queen example on the wiki page?

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      • g0llum
        yes. best-of compilations are a good example

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      • zout
        DJ-Mixes?

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      • g0llum
        or kruder&dorfmeister, where the artists did more than compile the album together

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      • zout
        DJ-Mixing != Compiling

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      • g0llum
        yes.

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      • g0llum
        gaah!

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      • g0llum
        ok. let's rehash this again.

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      • zout
        so DJ-mixes too (not just the 'heavy' cases like K&D)?

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      • zout
        ok

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      • g0llum
        for artist featuring on an album which has multiple track artists (sg5dr) but is attributed to an artist != 1 (VA) these tracks still show up as Various Artists appearances

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      • g0llum
        but the album would should up under the artist (Paul Oakenfold for example)

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      • g0llum
        this would certainly reduce the additions of albums which are not correctly split to VA, because they are already there

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      • g0llum
        if you have to search the liner notes for a person who compiled/mixed the album, but does not appear on the cover. then its artistid=1 (va)

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      • zout
        so for most DJ-Mixes, the AlbumArtist would be that mix DJ

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      • g0llum thinks factoring in "what has the album artist to do with the track artists" makes the issue too complicated. just go by the cover

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      • g0llum
        yes, i'd say so

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      • Russ[work]
        to be honest, K&D should be an AR on most of the tracks in the K&D sessions anyway

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      • Russ[work]
        because some of the tracks are completely remixed themselves

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      • zout
        what about classical releases?

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      • Russ[work]
        so maybe that's not the easiest of examples, heh.

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      • g0llum
        Russ[work]: as discussed above. i'm adding AR editing capabilities to the album editor

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      • zout
        the problem with those is there are single artist (composer) release with a simple main performer

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      • g0llum
        i guess people will start adding AR's much more if you don't have to use that stupid interface (sorry donredman) ;)

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      • zout
        and VA composer releases with a single performer

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      • g0llum thinks we shouldn't mess with classical

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      • zout
        OK

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