17:12 PM
dupuy
genres won't be happening anytime soon
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17:12 PM
dupuy
year (and month and day) support in releases is there already
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cikkolata
dupuy: it'll count whatever data I throw at it, I was specifically doing tracks though
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19:36 PM
dupuy
well, if you look at artist aliases, you should see some arabic now...
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cikkolata
ooh
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dupuy
just one artist for now...
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dupuy
although i did turn up several dozen artists for the wiki page
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19:45 PM
dupuy
we only learned a few letters yesterday, I wanted to start small
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dupuy
i have a "Bellydance with Warda" CD at home that might have some Arabic, that will be my next project...
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19:46 PM
cikkolata
ah
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19:47 PM
dupuy
it's hard to find the correct arabic except sometimes as part of cover art, and I am just beginning (even after this course)
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dupuy
so I don't want to just blindly (de)transliterate...
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cikkolata nods
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cikkolata
every time I try to learn to read arabic and hebrew, I'm foiled by the lack of vowels
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kass
hebrew, at least, has vowels, they're just kind of optional
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cikkolata
exactly.
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kass
Most things will use them though, printed books do anyway
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19:51 PM
kass
it does help if you know the words though, you tend to just fill them in. Try starting with kiddy books, you may have an easier time of it. :)
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19:51 PM
cikkolata
I don't see them much online though
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cikkolata giggles
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cikkolata
I'm too terrified to go in the foreign language bookshop here, I always spend a fortune.
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kass
ah, no, there is that. :) Find a local mosque or synagogue and ask if they have children's classes?
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cikkolata
hmmmm...
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kass
They may, if nothing else, have children's textbooks
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ruaok
yalaforge: moin moin!
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20:53 PM
ruaok
or, time-of-day!
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20:53 PM
yalaforge
n'abend!
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20:53 PM
yalaforge
:)
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20:54 PM
yalaforge
seems lucas is alive again. did you two talk already?
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20:54 PM
ruaok
I prodded him this morning.
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20:54 PM
yalaforge
k
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20:54 PM
ruaok
he promptly wanted to talk on the phone, but I told him to get some work done first. :-)
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20:55 PM
yalaforge
hehe
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20:55 PM
ruaok
but there seems to be some movement on xspf, and thats exciting.
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20:55 PM
ruaok
too bad I'm dicking with financial software right now.
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20:55 PM
ruaok
but we knew there would be some downsides to having a non-profit.
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20:55 PM
yalaforge
right. and I don't have much time
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20:55 PM
yalaforge
yup
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20:56 PM
ruaok
though with xspf, we're over the hump. From here its just a little touch-ups here and there
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20:56 PM
ruaok drueckt die daumen
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20:56 PM
yalaforge
let's hope so
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20:56 PM
yalaforge
lucas still doesn't understand the schema idea, I'm afraid
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20:56 PM
yalaforge
If we sell it to him, we're done ;-)
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20:57 PM
ruaok
werde ich schon machen.
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20:57 PM
yalaforge
gut, danke
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20:57 PM
ruaok
I grok it now and why, so I'll make sure it gets carried.
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20:57 PM
yalaforge
did you read my mail yet?
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20:58 PM
yalaforge
I hope I didn't overlook something, but it's already pretty good
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20:59 PM
ruaok
yes, thanks.
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ruaok
oh, you asked about the extension stuff.
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ruaok
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ruaok
and yes, I will push to get that through as well.
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21:01 PM
yalaforge
cool
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21:02 PM
yalaforge
err, I think the extension element needs an attribute to identify it
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21:02 PM
yalaforge
otherwise different extensions might clash
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21:02 PM
ruaok
to tell the diff between playlist and track level exts?
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21:03 PM
yalaforge
<extension type="URI>...</extension>
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21:03 PM
yalaforge
no to tell the difference between extensions by different vendors
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21:03 PM
ruaok
oh, yes!
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21:04 PM
ruaok is glad yalaforge is checking his shit
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21:04 PM
yalaforge
then there would be zeroOrMore extension elements
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21:04 PM
yalaforge
I think I suggested that months ago ;-)
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21:04 PM
ruaok
well, I did miss that entire thread. :(
2005-01-06 00627, 2005
21:05 PM
yalaforge
Subject: Re: [Playlist] calling Winamp
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21:05 PM
yalaforge
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:25:09 +0200
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yalaforge
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21:11 PM
ruaok
yet. A pattern like "\d.\d" would be appropriate."
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21:11 PM
ruaok
do you know how to express that in relax NG ?
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21:12 PM
yalaforge
relax NG uses XML schema datatypes
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21:12 PM
yalaforge
those datatypes support regular expressions
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21:12 PM
yalaforge
is it possible to define your own datatypes in relax NG?
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21:13 PM
yalaforge
otherwise we'd have to leave it as an unstructured string
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21:13 PM
ruaok
I think so, but it makes validatio a lot harder when you have custom types.
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21:13 PM
ruaok
</attribute>
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21:13 PM
ruaok
is it?
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21:14 PM
yalaforge
nope
2005-01-06 00603, 2005
21:14 PM
ruaok
there needs to be some qualitifer, right?>
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21:14 PM
ruaok
at least
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yalaforge
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21:14 PM
yalaforge
the spec provides methods to restrict existing data types using regular expressions
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21:16 PM
yalaforge
<simpleType name='myString'>
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yalaforge
</simpleType>
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21:16 PM
yalaforge
that's how it's done in XML Schema
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21:16 PM
yalaforge
there's probably an equivalent method in Relax NG
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21:16 PM
ruaok
OK, I'll have a look.
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21:16 PM
yalaforge
it's not really important
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21:17 PM
yalaforge just read lucas' comment on element ordering
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21:17 PM
ruaok
isn't the right element ordering *required* in XML??
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21:18 PM
yalaforge
und schon wei� ich wieder, warum ich nicht mehr auf der liste bin
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21:18 PM
yalaforge
yes. absolutely
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21:18 PM
ruaok
ok. gut.
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21:22 PM
yalaforge
"trackList - MUST contain exactly one"
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21:23 PM
yalaforge
are empty playlists worth having?
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21:23 PM
ruaok
why do you think it should be allowed to contain none?
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21:23 PM
ruaok
heh.
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21:23 PM
ruaok
I can't really see a reason.
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21:23 PM
yalaforge
there could still be information in the <extension> or <meta> elements
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21:23 PM
yalaforge
some complex filerting or something that doesn't need tracks
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21:23 PM
yalaforge
filtering
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21:24 PM
ruaok
Seems like one of those, I can't think of a concrete case right now, but looks like it might be useful kinda cases.
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21:24 PM
yalaforge
we gain a little bit of flexibility
2005-01-06 00625, 2005
21:25 PM
yalaforge
and empty Playlist objects in a library are always in a valid state even if they contain no tracks
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21:25 PM
yalaforge
they can be rendered at anytime and you don't have to throw exceptions if the track list is empty
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21:26 PM
yalaforge
(the main reason, to be honest)
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21:26 PM
ruaok
ok, I've updated the schema with your comments. lets see if my changes work.
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21:27 PM
yalaforge
argh. lucas wouldn't add code to enforce the ordering, so I read
2005-01-06 00609, 2005
21:27 PM
yalaforge
OF COURSE NOT!!
2005-01-06 00635, 2005
21:27 PM
yalaforge
why would someone want to do that? it's just a requirement for rendering playlists
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21:28 PM
yalaforge
mann mann mann. ich bin immer noch fassungslos, ich mu� die ganze schema-idee so unterirdisch schlecht verkauft haben. das ist unfassbar
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yalaforge
:-(
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ruaok
ok, enough xspf for today
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22:37 PM
sylvinus
:)
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sylvinus
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22:38 PM
sylvinus
could someone comment this ?
2005-01-06 00652, 2005
22:38 PM
sylvinus
ruaok, for instance :))
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22:39 PM
ruaok
tomorrow, perhaps. not today.
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22:39 PM
ruaok
I've exceeded my time on xspf for today.
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22:39 PM
ruaok
:-(
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22:39 PM
cikkolata
I found a... thingy that I really like. "Attending a meeting of Sami and Norwegian officials, one of the Sami participants was asked, "Do you need an interpreter?" "No", she answered, "I don't. But I will give my talk in Sami so it might be that you will need one""
2005-01-06 00630, 2005
22:39 PM
cikkolata
that was completely off topic
2005-01-06 00634, 2005
22:39 PM
cikkolata
but I don't care.
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22:42 PM
sylvinus
ruaok, of course :) just kidding :)
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sylvinus
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22:47 PM
sylvinus
is it just me or lucas love mailing lists ? :)
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ruaok
loves abusing them, yes.
2005-01-06 00602, 2005
22:51 PM
sylvinus
I hate mailing lists
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22:51 PM
cikkolata
does anyone know any swedish? (or enough to tell me what med pa (with a ring above) is? as far as I know it's with at, which doesn't make sense.)
2005-01-06 00627, 2005
22:57 PM
dupuy
cikkolata: ask mo
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23:00 PM
cikkolata
mo isn't in here, is he?
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23:02 PM
dupuy
but he'd get an musicbrainz moderator e-mail and reply fairly quickly (he even advertised his availability for no/sv/da on wiki:OnlineTranslator)
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