Hey, guys. I love MB and donated last Friday to help some. I'm trying to add a VA album and am having trouble figuring out the best style to use. Here's a poor link to the track listing. http://users.tapstep.net/saints/album/JSCD1.html Scroll down to CD SAMPLER #1. Tracks are listed by Artist TITLE, Artist, TITLE, etc. Note that the artist name, Eddie Condon, changes over several tracks. Should those be entered as different artists or just "E
2004-06-02 15440, 2004
ruaok
GuySmiley: thanks for the donation...
2004-06-02 15445, 2004
GuySmiley
you bet!
2004-06-02 15407, 2004
ruaok
looks like a real VA album to me...
2004-06-02 15426, 2004
somniloquy
How do you mean the artist keeps changing?
2004-06-02 15445, 2004
GuySmiley
yeah, it's a mess. it feels strange, though, to be creating new artists (as they're denoted on the cd), when only one track will ever be associated with that artist.
2004-06-02 15409, 2004
somniloquy
You mean when one track is " Eddie Condon Town Hall Concert Volume 2" and the next is " Eddie Condon Town Hall Concert Volume 1"?
2004-06-02 15422, 2004
GuySmiley
well, have a look at the link. track1 - Eddie Condon Town Hall Concert Volume 2 THE JOINT IS JUMPIN', Track2 - Eddie Condon Town Hall Concert Volume 3 THATS A PLENTY
2004-06-02 15427, 2004
GuySmiley
right
2004-06-02 15436, 2004
somniloquy
It's all "Eddie Condon".
2004-06-02 15454, 2004
somniloquy
The bit after that isn't an artist name. Looks like a mention of what album it's taken from, would be my guess...
2004-06-02 15401, 2004
GuySmiley
The other infromation isn't really the title of the track so where will it be retained?
2004-06-02 15415, 2004
GuySmiley
ah, ok. perhaps.
2004-06-02 15417, 2004
somniloquy
I'd go with it won't...
2004-06-02 15425, 2004
GuySmiley
hehe, ok
2004-06-02 15431, 2004
somniloquy
Could be a comment, but MB doesn't do comments...
2004-06-02 15406, 2004
somniloquy
You could add the album "Town Hall Concert Volume 2", for example, and it'd have the same track on...
2004-06-02 15419, 2004
somniloquy
If my guess that that is the album it's from is correct, that is.
2004-06-02 15416, 2004
GuySmiley
right, i'll see if i can find such an album. freedb has an ID for this disc, but i always try to verify against at least one other source since freedb is often unreliable.
Good call. So you think I should new create Some albums for that artist with those tracks on them then make them an aggregate VA album?
2004-06-02 15443, 2004
somniloquy
AFAIK you can't add a track once and then tell it to be on two albums. I think you just have to make two albums, and that same track name will just appear twice then.
2004-06-02 15458, 2004
somniloquy
So you could just add the VA one for now, and if you feel like it add the others, I guess.
2004-06-02 15419, 2004
GuySmiley
Ah, I see. Just drop the extraneous album names for now.
2004-06-02 15425, 2004
somniloquy
Yeah, I would.
2004-06-02 15435, 2004
GuySmiley
Thanks for your time.
2004-06-02 15458, 2004
somniloquy
NP.
2004-06-02 15409, 2004
somniloquy
Argh. Japanese -> English name conversions make everything so hard. I have this one track that could be called "gips", "gibs" or "gibbs", according to different sources >_<
2004-06-02 15410, 2004
GuySmiley
Should the sortname for "Marty Grosz & Destiny's Tots" be "Grosz, Marty & Destiny's Tots" or is the symbolic & bad?
2004-06-02 15440, 2004
somniloquy dunno.
2004-06-02 15406, 2004
GuySmiley
k
2004-06-02 15458, 2004
somniloquy
From reading the sort name guidelines, yes, I'd go with "Grosz, Marty & Destiny's Tots".
2004-06-02 15412, 2004
GuySmiley
That's what i gathered, too. In those same guidelines I didn't get an indication of how a name like "Kenny Davern Jazz Trio" would be sorted. I figured it would be entered unchanged.
2004-06-02 15439, 2004
somniloquy
Yeah. It's more the name of the group than of a person, so I'd leave it unchanged too.
2004-06-02 15400, 2004
somniloquy
Of course, we may both be wrong, but no-one ever seems to talk much here... ;p
2004-06-02 15410, 2004
GuySmiley
i'm getting that indication, too. :)
2004-06-02 15440, 2004
GuySmiley
thanks for asserting your opinion :-)
2004-06-02 15458, 2004
somniloquy
Hehe, NP.
2004-06-02 15445, 2004
somniloquy
Eek.
2004-06-02 15400, 2004
somniloquy
The freedb import bot just imported an album and it's just horrendous.
2004-06-02 15408, 2004
somniloquy
No spaces anywhere to be seen. At all.
2004-06-02 15416, 2004
somniloquy
Guess I'll have to fix it...
2004-06-02 15438, 2004
somniloquy
It's also CD2 of something, and CD1 isn't entered... guess I should import that too...
2004-06-02 15418, 2004
GuySmiley
how does that happen? i see moderations from freedb all the time. there's a program trolling the MB DB all the time?
2004-06-02 15438, 2004
somniloquy
I guess they've just got a bot set up that randomly imports albums from freedb, relying on humans to format them correctly afterwards.
2004-06-02 15410, 2004
GuySmiley
seems like a great way to pollute the db. :)
2004-06-02 15411, 2004
somniloquy
Hehe, yeah.
2004-06-02 15424, 2004
somniloquy
People have to vote yes on the added albums though.
2004-06-02 15446, 2004
GuySmiley
does every moderation need at least one positive vote to pass? i've always wondered that.
2004-06-02 15419, 2004
somniloquy
Yeah.
2004-06-02 15443, 2004
somniloquy
They expire after a certain amount of time, and if no votes have been done on them the first vote afterwards decides whether it's added or not.
2004-06-02 15418, 2004
somniloquy
If they get 5 straight votes either way then they're automatically added/rejected.
2004-06-02 15436, 2004
somniloquy
If they expire and have less than 5 votes, but all votes agree, they're added/rejected, too.
2004-06-02 15448, 2004
GuySmiley
so no moderation is truly dropped? rather, after the few-day trial period a single vote one way or the other makes the decision?
2004-06-02 15450, 2004
somniloquy
At least, that's what I understood of it.
2004-06-02 15456, 2004
somniloquy
Yep.
2004-06-02 15412, 2004
jinxie
the FreeDB trollbot should be shot... it has no taste
I've added so many albums. It seems most of them get to just before expiring then get a vote or two, expire and are added :/
2004-06-02 15431, 2004
somniloquy wonders why, when he goes to view that album and it's waiting for votes to be added, he gets a random moderation to vote on at the top rather than the actual thing he's viewing c_c
2004-06-02 15456, 2004
somniloquy
Looks good.
2004-06-02 15412, 2004
GuySmiley
I'd say use the ampersand if it's usually part of the duo's name. Otherwise, I'd use and if it's a one-off pairing of the two.
2004-06-02 15421, 2004
GuySmiley
thanks
2004-06-02 15401, 2004
jinxie
NO!!
2004-06-02 15404, 2004
jinxie
use /
2004-06-02 15406, 2004
jinxie
!!
2004-06-02 15431, 2004
jinxie
so when AR gets here, it can split 'em all up properly...
2004-06-02 15434, 2004
jinxie
:)
2004-06-02 15457, 2004
somniloquy
I would have used / if it was one track that contains more than one song, by different artists, and "and" or & if it's more than one artist collaborating on a single song...
2004-06-02 15432, 2004
jinxie
nope...
2004-06-02 15410, 2004
GuySmiley
Use / to separate any number of separate artists?
2004-06-02 15430, 2004
jinxie
the idea is, when AR gets here, it can go through the artists, and split up different people...
2004-06-02 15455, 2004
jinxie
as opposed to splitting up a band that had 'and' in it's name...
2004-06-02 15457, 2004
jinxie
*S*
2004-06-02 15447, 2004
GuySmiley
I don't see how that's helpful when some pairings shouldn't be split or where their marketed name is "Dude & Dude2" or whatever. What's AR?
2004-06-02 15455, 2004
jinxie
it also uses one symbol instead of '+' 'and' '&' commas, etc... that currently seperate them now...
2004-06-02 15417, 2004
GuySmiley
The idea is to split everything to individual artists?
2004-06-02 15430, 2004
jinxie
Advanced Relationships...
2004-06-02 15414, 2004
jinxie
eventually... say Santana and Hendrix collaborate on an album...
2004-06-02 15445, 2004
somniloquy wonders how it'll distinguish between a track containing more than one song by different artists, and a single song worked on by more than one artist...
2004-06-02 15449, 2004
jinxie
right now, you get a whole new artist called 'Santana and Hendrix'... (or Santana _ Hendrix) etc...
2004-06-02 15453, 2004
jinxie
with AR, under Santana you will have all HIS stuff... the a list of other people he worked with.. and the albums theymade.. and on the other person's page they have the same.. in reverse
2004-06-02 15443, 2004
andyg
ok well in this case, you have 2 people who made a lot of albums as a duo, they each also have their own albums as well
2004-06-02 15451, 2004
somniloquy
Sounds good. I just hope it works, and doesn't require people to go through the entire database fiddling and checking things...
2004-06-02 15456, 2004
andyg
I am against using /
2004-06-02 15404, 2004
andyg
some script could just as easily split on &
2004-06-02 15414, 2004
jinxie
somn> on each artist page it will list the album, same as it does now for VAs, but EACH artit will get it, not the NON artist "Brittney and Spice girls'
2004-06-02 15448, 2004
jinxie
at least, thats how i understand it ought work... *S*
2004-06-02 15452, 2004
GuySmiley
So that's only interesting on collaborative works rather than an album by, say "Brooks & Dunn", who are always known as such?
2004-06-02 15409, 2004
jinxie
GS> exactly
2004-06-02 15428, 2004
somniloquy
Aye. If it split 'Faith and the Muse' into 'Faith' and 'The Muse' I'd be rather upset... ;p
2004-06-02 15441, 2004
GuySmiley
...and Brooks & Dunn will still get split up in the DB or they'll remain paired?
2004-06-02 15453, 2004
GuySmiley
hahaha
2004-06-02 15411, 2004
jinxie
"Brooks & Dunn" IS the artist in that case.. though Brooks or Dun may also have released stuff under their own name... LOL....
2004-06-02 15419, 2004
somniloquy
Someone would probably then merge 'The Muse' into 'Muse' and we'd all go bonkers! >_<
2004-06-02 15430, 2004
GuySmiley
gotcha.
2004-06-02 15410, 2004
jinxie
andyg> the main reason i am for the / is the widespread chaos currently used... comma's, no comma's.. plus signs... 'and.. &...
2004-06-02 15437, 2004
jinxie
presumably if i searched and clicked on Dunn, i would get a page that would give me Dunn and his works as just Dunn.. then a thingie saying 'releases as 'Brooks and Dunn'.....
