I dunno, this is the only music channel I could find
2004-06-06 15852, 2004
`Sel
I thought maybe you trade music
2004-06-06 15854, 2004
andyg
lol
2004-06-06 15857, 2004
somniloquy
Haha.
2004-06-06 15800, 2004
tma
no, we don't
2004-06-06 15807, 2004
andyg
you won't find that kind of channel on freenode I bet
2004-06-06 15816, 2004
andyg
better off going to efnet/undernet/etc
2004-06-06 15821, 2004
`Sel
k thanks
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somniloquy
Doesn't really sound like 'music' that he wanted, anyway.
2004-06-06 15838, 2004
tma
psh
2004-06-06 15844, 2004
andyg
although that's not exactly illegal music.. wonder if voicemail recordings can be shared like that without consent
2004-06-06 15855, 2004
tma
it depends on the country
2004-06-06 15835, 2004
tma
and there'd be an argument that if you know you're being recorded (ie: voicemail implies this) then the person who recorded it can do whatever they like with it
2004-06-06 15845, 2004
tma
but that also depends on the laws in the country in question
well, some limited edition versions of LPs and CDs are cut into a special shape
2004-06-06 15809, 2004
somniloquy
Yeah, I've seen one, maybe two.
2004-06-06 15825, 2004
tma
they aren't very common, but I thought it was valid meta-data
2004-06-06 15831, 2004
andyg
do we also need "release data-set" for info such as UPC/EAN/ASIN
2004-06-06 15835, 2004
somniloquy
Yep.
2004-06-06 15841, 2004
andyg
metadata about the release
2004-06-06 15854, 2004
tma
andyg: yes, good point
2004-06-06 15812, 2004
andyg
however...
2004-06-06 15854, 2004
andyg
I was imagining a release as being like a 2-cd album, not as broad as you defined it like having all versions of a single under 1 release
2004-06-06 15812, 2004
andyg
in that case, you'd have multiple ASIN/UPC/EAN values
2004-06-06 15835, 2004
tma
yes, as stated in the problems area, there will be a lot of redundancy
2004-06-06 15821, 2004
tma
the way you imagine the "release" is closer to the "Sets" part of the proposal
2004-06-06 15849, 2004
andyg
ah ok
2004-06-06 15808, 2004
andyg
you've put a lot more thought into it than I have :)
2004-06-06 15809, 2004
tma
so a Release can be a Set which has the two discs in it
2004-06-06 15825, 2004
tma
well, I was trying to cover a lot of bases :)
2004-06-06 15831, 2004
andyg
yeah it looks good
2004-06-06 15846, 2004
andyg
ok I gotta go :)
2004-06-06 15848, 2004
tma
it still needs some ironing out, of course, then there's the implementation
2004-06-06 15853, 2004
tma
ok
2004-06-06 15856, 2004
tma
cya round
2004-06-06 15810, 2004
tma is away: time for food and a break
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flo_
g'morning
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tma
somniloquy: are you around?
2004-06-06 15842, 2004
tma
musicbrainz appears to be down
2004-06-06 15838, 2004
tma
yup
2004-06-06 15843, 2004
tma
apache on zim isn't responding
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tma wonders what he should do when things like this happen
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tma is away: shopping
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somniloquy
I am now.
2004-06-06 15828, 2004
somniloquy
Heh. He goes shopping and now MB is working.
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yalaforge
su
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yalaforge
:-(
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somniloquy
su?
2004-06-06 15812, 2004
yalaforge need even more coffee
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yalaforge
change to super user
2004-06-06 15831, 2004
somniloquy
Hehe, nice.
2004-06-06 15846, 2004
yalaforge wanted to restart his apache
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tma is back (gone 01:14:07)
2004-06-06 15833, 2004
tma
somniloquy: I just wanted to check how far you'd got with Guess.js
2004-06-06 15838, 2004
tma
now that I've resolved my segfault problem and have a fully working test server
2004-06-06 15801, 2004
yalaforge
congratulations :-)
2004-06-06 15809, 2004
somniloquy
tma, um... I made it handle hyphens correctly, make some non-English words lowercase, and handle '.' as it does ',' stopping it putting spaces in the middle of numbers such as 100,000 in the process.
2004-06-06 15820, 2004
tma
I also worked out how to track down the segfaults too :)
2004-06-06 15851, 2004
tma
somniloquy: ok .. I gather you sent a copy of the update to Dave? I'll have to wait for him to check it into cvs
2004-06-06 15808, 2004
somniloquy
Yep.
2004-06-06 15824, 2004
tma
yalaforge: did you see my ReleaseGroups thing?
2004-06-06 15841, 2004
yalaforge
yes, but I didn't have the time to read it yet
2004-06-06 15854, 2004
yalaforge
I'm struggling with adding moderations for the wiki stuff
2004-06-06 15823, 2004
yalaforge
I've got my own little ideas about making artists with the same names unique BTW
2004-06-06 15823, 2004
tma
ahh ok. you might want to read Don Redman's response on that thread if you haven't already
2004-06-06 15830, 2004
tma
yalaforge: oh yes?
2004-06-06 15856, 2004
yalaforge
yup. basically split artists up in persons and groups
2004-06-06 15809, 2004
yalaforge
for persons, we store a birth/death date + location
2004-06-06 15823, 2004
yalaforge
the same for groups (founding/dissolving date)
2004-06-06 15843, 2004
tma
yep .. that sounds like a step towards AdvancedRelationships too
2004-06-06 15843, 2004
yalaforge
persons can be grouped into groups. one person can belong to one or more groups
2004-06-06 15810, 2004
tma
can you work artist a + artist b collaborations into that?
2004-06-06 15825, 2004
somniloquy
That would be nice.
2004-06-06 15834, 2004
yalaforge
well, I thought collaborations where AR stuff ;-)
2004-06-06 15803, 2004
yalaforge
I've got the UML design here but didn't have the time to create a picture of it
2004-06-06 15811, 2004
yalaforge
as soon as I have it, I'll tell you
2004-06-06 15828, 2004
tma
if that little puzzle could be solved then the only real outstanding style issue will be how to deal with mash-ups or single tracks which contain two different tracks by two different artists
2004-06-06 15851, 2004
yalaforge
yes. but first is wiki annotations :-)
2004-06-06 15859, 2004
tma
yes :)
2004-06-06 15819, 2004
tma
Don made some good points _against* wiki style annotations as proposed, in case you didn't see it
2004-06-06 15831, 2004
yalaforge
I read it
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yalaforge
well, you can't please everyone
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yalaforge
good morning
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djce
hi
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djce
Forgive any technical troubles I have today. I'm tinkering with my network, firewall etc.
2004-06-06 15845, 2004
tma
ok .. I just thought it might be wise to see if we can reach a consensus before going and spending time coding it up
2004-06-06 15850, 2004
djce
so expect odd things to happen :-)
2004-06-06 15810, 2004
tma
dave, you're turning into a penguin. stop it.
2004-06-06 15810, 2004
yalaforge experienced enough odd things on his own machine already
2004-06-06 15833, 2004
tma
(hitchhikers reference, never mind)
2004-06-06 15849, 2004
somniloquy
Haha.
2004-06-06 15824, 2004
djce
I got it :-)
2004-06-06 15814, 2004
tma
djce: now, I was going to ask you something .. guess what it is I can't remember?
2004-06-06 15857, 2004
tma
djce: I solved that segfault problem
2004-06-06 15816, 2004
djce
Ah! great.
2004-06-06 15819, 2004
djce
what was it?
2004-06-06 15830, 2004
tma
there was something wrong with the DBD:Pg perl module
2004-06-06 15844, 2004
djce
Any idea what kind of something?
2004-06-06 15847, 2004
tma
I uninstalled the Gentoo version and installed it again via CPAN
2004-06-06 15853, 2004
tma
no, not really
2004-06-06 15804, 2004
djce
oh well, never mind. At least it works!
2004-06-06 15809, 2004
tma
might have just been compiled in the wrong order or something, or Gentoo's version is kaputz
2004-06-06 15832, 2004
tma
I worked out how to track down segfaults to the exact module too
2004-06-06 15855, 2004
tma
which I thought was neat. :)
2004-06-06 15835, 2004
djce
good going. Is it simple enough to share?
2004-06-06 15843, 2004
djce
that sounds like a very useful skill :-)
2004-06-06 15829, 2004
tma
it was very easy, actually. you just need a working gdb, attach it to one of the running apache processes, and cause the segfault. the output in gdb tells you which perl module it carked in
2004-06-06 15800, 2004
tma
strace wasn't terribly useful for that I found
2004-06-06 15817, 2004
djce
cool. sounds useful.
2004-06-06 15814, 2004
tma
grrr
2004-06-06 15821, 2004
tma
'giginger' is annoying me
2004-06-06 15804, 2004
tma
he's entering a bunch of albums as official when they're bootlegs, and he's entered "Still" by NIN which is already in the database about three times
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djce
wb jellyfish
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djce
getting the hang of IRC yet?
2004-06-06 15831, 2004
jellyfish
morning... yeh, slowly but surely getting there
2004-06-06 15827, 2004
djce
jolly good
2004-06-06 15811, 2004
djce
tma: so, all the automod election code is now in CVS
