is so I can load multiple tag sets formt he same file.
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Pipian
ID3v1 + ID3v2
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Pipian
Especially good for faulty taggers that don't realize that certain filetypes don't GET ID3v2 tags.
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wheels
Yeah, that depends on the format here. FLAC and MP3 both support multiple tag types, so the API does too...
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Pipian
The other benefit
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Pipian
is that I can do composite tag-reading for the main fields
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wheels
TagLib does both. :-)
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Pipian
APE tag missing artist but ID3v2 has it? It'll return the artist in the ID3v2
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wheels
Yep, same here for ID3v1 and ID3v2 for instance.
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Pipian
I do that, but I layer it to include APE
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wheels
Well, I meant in mp3s...
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Pipian
some files I just dump, with the knowledge that no other tags should be in it
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wheels
...since I don't support APE.
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Pipian
right
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Pipian
of course
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Pipian
but the point remains.
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wheels
Pipian: Yeah, that's encapsulated in the TagLib::File subclass -- i.e. TagLib::MPEG::File knows that it can have ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags and has a composite Tag subclass that returns the preferred values...
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Pipian
mmm
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Pipian
Well
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Pipian
My trick is finding software that needs what I provide
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Pipian
and then selling it ^_-
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wheels
Well, but here we're doing basically the same thing...
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Pipian
this is the problem
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Pipian
Two different methods of achieving the same goal
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Pipian
so we have little differences in our aims.
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Pipian
And since you're the older and more accepted of the two
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Pipian
I've got a feeling I'm probalby going to be overrun
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wheels
Well, most of my goals are biased from the perspective of desktop applications -- and at least in the KDE world I'm pretty influential...
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Pipian
You've been around longer
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wheels
But well, there's a lot of C software out there that probably wouldn't mind a more "native" API...
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Pipian
I've only started coding GPL stuff majorly in the past 12 months
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Pipian
GTK =P
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wheels
Well, except that the Mono guys like OOP. :-)
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wheels
Pipian: But yeah -- hmm, let's see. I guess I started with GPL'ed stuff in 1999 or 2000...
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Pipian
<-- is only 17 so *shrug*
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wheels is 23. :-)
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Pipian
And thus why you have the advantage
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wheels
Well, but I mean -- when you write stuff you learn loads.
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wheels
Like even if your lib is "overrun" as you say like what you take out of that will be rather useful.
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Pipian
true\
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Pipian
and then there's id3lib
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Pipian
which is proof that OO doesn't always work =P
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wheels
Well, did you hear my story about it earlier?
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Pipian
I think I heard it in passing
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Pipian
that their OO is terrible and confusing?
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wheels
Well, that, but I don't think I said that. There was probably cursing.
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Pipian
perhaps
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wheels
Pipian: But I had an app using it for a while -- and started finding bugs, so I started fixing them. Before I knew it I was maintaining it. After about 6-12 months (it's all fuzzy now) I gave up, announced it "unmaintainable" and started writing TagLib. :-)
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Pipian
heh
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wheels
But that's part of why I feel like I got most of the interface right in TagLib -- I saw very much what was wrong with id3lib from an application programmers standpoint and tried to address that with TagLib.
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wheels
Well, and also where I learned that docs are really important. id3lib's docs are terrible. As a result every public class, member, helper function, enum, enum value, etc. in TagLib is documented...
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Pipian
Mm
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Pipian
Indeed
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Pipian
no documetnation for libmetatag
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Pipian
but that's because I'm still working on it
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Pipian
I do some commenting in some of the lesser known specs though
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wheels
Pipian: You really have to document as you go. You'll forget what stuff does later. :-)
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wheels
Pipian: (i.e. "start now")
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Pipian
Hehe
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Pipian
Well
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Pipian
That's easy enough to go back and do.
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Pipian
I think I'll dump the CDAudio features though.
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wheels
Plus it's really boring to try to do all at once. :-)
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Pipian
It's a pretty useless wrapper to be honest
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wheels
And likely won't happen since you'd rather, well, do stuff with the lib.
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Pipian
and why implement all of that again?
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Pipian
Plus Musicbrainz's features keep moving
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wheels doesn't track them really. :-)
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melange
hello
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Go186K
hi
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melange
hows things?
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Go186K
going well. trying to install a copy of the database locally
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melange
"trying" .. :)
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Go186K
struggling to learn many things at once
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melange
ahh ..
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melange nods
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melange
anything I can help with?
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Go186K
just stumbling along. finally got debian linux running (my only experience has been with redhat)
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melange
debian is good .. 'apt-get' is a god-send after using rpm
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Go186K
did a minimal install and keep finding I need additional packages.
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Go186K
yes, apt-get is great
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melange
I've moved to Gentoo now for my desktop system though - emerge is probably the equivalent of 'apt-get' except .. better. :)
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melange
gentoo can be an exercise in patience though, it compiles nearly everything fresh
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melange
sorry, sidetracking
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Go186K
my linux box is a piii/733 so gentoo would be a challenge
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melange
you could start with a stage3 install, which has most of the big things precompiled
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Go186K
but i'm ending up recompiling a bunch of stuff anyway (e.g. postgres)
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melange
anyway ..
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melange
oh? why?
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Go186K
the default package install doesn't have unicode support
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melange
Debian's Postgres doesn't have unicode support? That's a little surprising...
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melange
which version did you install?
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melange
did you install the system at "woody" level or at "sarge" level?
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Go186K
sarge, I think.
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Go186K
(me = linux n00b)
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melange
what's the output of 'dpkg -l postgresql' ?
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Go186K
sorry...this is my win32 box. using a kvm to get to the linux system...
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melange
ok, no stress
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Go186K
version shows as 7.4.2-4
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melange
yep, that's sarge/sid
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melange
odd .. whe you say it has no unicode support, what broke exactly?
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Go186K
I'm reading the 'INSTALL' instructions from MB and it says do a "pg_config --configure" and look for --enable-multibyte=UNICODE
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melange
I'm just looking at my sarge install of postgres .. if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure postgresql' one of the options is to select the type of encoding, UNICODE is one of those...
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Go186K
i'll do that then
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Go186K
thanks
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melange
additionally, unless things have changed in the last few months since I did an install (quite possible) then I was able to use Debian's default package to import the database with no problems
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Go186K
the reconfigure ran into some problems but I'll see what I can do. thanks for the info.
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melange
np, hope I didn't make things worse.
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Go186K
not worse. just helped me see i was going down the wrong path.
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melange
I'd only try recompiling postgres if something isn't working properly and you can track it back to that.
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Go186K
now my postmaster won't start (unknown reason). oh oh.
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melange
anything in the logs?
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Go186K
checking...
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Go186K
no
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I'm thinking of re-installing debian from scratch anyway so don't worry about it.
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melange
ok
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melange
I was going to suggest taking the command that actually starts postgres and running it manually
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melange
the startup script dumps the output to /dev/null, which isn't generally helpful
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melange
hi dave
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djce
ruaok: Good morning!
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djce
melange: hi
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djce
What a nice day it looks like it's going to be.
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djce
full of the joys of spring.
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djce
Good day for a database rebuild :-)
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melange
like what, hayfever? :)
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djce
I'm glad to say I'm not a sufferer
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djce
So far it's nice and cool; I hate it when it's too hot.
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melange
same here .. I can't think properly when it's too hot
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djce
Last summer when Europe was exceptionally hot (~35C IIRC) I took to running air hoses from the PC fans, and pointed the ends out of the window
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djce
which helped a lot :-)
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melange
we get weeks in the 35-40 degree range in summer
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djce
ouch
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melange
which was playing havoc on the hard drives in my home server, they'd hit about 60 degrees and startt having real problems
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melange
I've installed some hard-drive fans, but now it's winter so I'm not sure how effective they'll be
