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2. Having an ID embedded in the mp3 will allow you to automatically update the file is the metadata on MB changes.

because I ALWAYS make sure the file is intact and do that at the same time..

3. the embedded ID will also allow people to communicate about music unambigously.

Meaning that if people use our ids to talk about music, communicating about music becomes a lot easier.

Take portable playlists (xspf.org) for example.

so, could I use that id as a database id?

Without files with IDs, playing the right files can be hard.

SighKick: yes, please!

that way everyone cross references their files with MB and then everyone can know what music they are listening to.

or want to listen to.

does the database link with anything other than the song? lyrics, websites?

ruaok: woha... didn't know about xspf.org... neat!

so the actual id is not the trm but the next one listed in the Musicbrainz dB

canidae: we're still working on it. :)

SighKick: yes.

ruaok: looks really promising

canidae: thanks

I'm learning, I'm learning

the database doesn't link too many places yet.

i'm pretty fed up with "pls" & "ext3"... completly useless :\

we're changing that soon.

plus more people are starting to use our data.

so the MB will be constant even if the TRM algorithm is changed by Relatable?

kjetilho: that's why we recommend that people not use the TRM for anything other than identfying music.

once the music is properly identified, only MB ids should be used.

So, then if TRM should go away, MB can keep chugging without throwing anything out.

Ok.. so all of us are out here trying to get the MB better by the day

The project has been around for over 6 years now. We're finally getting some traction. :)

I was thinking of the CDDB project...you put a cd into the computer and you get a playlist off the internet and it shows up in Winamp...

MB does that.

but when I play my MP3's, they are already named... so I thought... What the....?

ya.

See, most people are not as diligent as you when downloading music.

most people either can't see why they should be or are plain too lazy.

gee tnx :)

ruaok: just a quick quiz about xspf... i assume one of the ideas is to let people share playlists, and have the media player of their choice (which supports xspf) load in the tracks on the playlist (if he got those tracks)... if i'm right, how would the media player know where those files are located?

Then they get an iPod and think the ipod is crap because they can't find their music on it.

yeah, well I have a mission...trying to get the original of every #1 single for 4 countries from 1952...

canidae: presumably it would have a database of all available tracks.

canidae: kjetilho is right.

the concept we're talking about is a playlist resolver.

yeah but canidae asked a good question none-the-less

the resolver knows where your music lives and can match playlists to local files.

and if the files are not local, it will know where to download them.

not bad, not bad

Q: why would anyone want anothers play list?

granted, there is a lot of handwaving in there, but its a first step.

SighKick: have you ever tried sending a playlist to a friend?

via email without the attached content?

no... they play what they like, I play what i like

fair, nuff. Though not everyone thinks that way.

I have a very distinct taste in music and a lot of my friends ask me what music I play.

thats what brought me in here to start with...thinking outside the SQUARE

so, I'd like to send my friends my favorite playlist of the week.

cool... like on irc where people tell the whole room what they are currently listening to... like we all need to know

There is only a line between what we've built and what we've dreamt of. :-)

yeah, that's pretty silly. Just adds noise to the channel.

SighKick: i see a great use for it... i guess i could call myself the admin of the music archive on a "partyplace" with lots of rooms with different music. however, the music may come from a server on samba/nfs network or locally... both "pls" & "ext3" screws up as the format differs on windows/linux (aswell as the paths are wrong)

canidae: I hear ya. My house is kinda like the party place you describe.

hehe

canidae : you on the Undernet? thats my poison

SighKick: heh, no... that must be one of the few servers i'm not on... well that one, quakenet & dalnet :p

s/servers/ircnets/

ok, it was good chatting, but I gotta get back to hacking on AR.

LOL

AR == Action Request?

I been on the Undernet since about 1996... it was/is the biggest...and it has good security...

no idea... in my case i think of "AR" as "Alternate Reality" ("Stars!", if anyone has ever played that game) :p

Undernet/#Funtrivia for my trivia channel game...if anyone is bored

AR == Advanced Relationships

see: http://test.musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?art...

SighKick: the last thing i need is a trivia... beside, when i was in those kind of channels i always ended up making a script trying to guess or saving the answer of every quiz :p

add a little random delay, and after a while people will admire you for "knowing so much" :p

canidae : we try to kick channel idlers...

but in reality it doesnt do much for your self image

hehe, ofcourse not... i was just presented with a "problem" and i solved it the way i usually solve stuff: by making a little program :)

hey... doesnt this irc network *mask* ppls IP ?

SighKick: seems like your reverse is broken...

dunno what good it is to "hide" your ip anyways... usually it's not that hard to figure out someone's ip

ride a motorbike...no reverse on a bike

canidae : just that the Undernet does that to reduce dos attacks etc

so.. New Zealand here.... where u ppl from?

norway, and apparently kjetilho too :)

iirc ruaok lives on the westcoast of the states, but comes from germany

Supposed to be summer here... huh! .. been like winter...

and cikkolata lives in the united kingdom :)

hey... save me inventing the wheel twice... looking for a database to hold the charts for four countries position 1 - 40 ... you know of any?

sorry, no

It sounds easy when you first look at it, but when u see the variations...

canidae : are you able to answer one query about tagging an mp3 if I give you the details?

maybe, although i'm fairly new here myself, so i still got alot to learn :)

but give it a shot, and i'll see what i can do :)

ok.. this one is a red collision...

just looking for a way to copy and paste from the musicbrainz dialog window..

hmm, is this the windows tagger application, or is it "picard"?

windblows... thought picard was not ready yet

no, not yet afaik... thought it was "partially" working, though

ok.. may have to type it longhand :(

hmm, i've never actually used the windows tagger myself... if it's a quiz about operating the program then i'll just have to guess :\

maybe I will ask someone later....its not that important right now.

canidae : so are you messin with that "picard" program?

SighKick: no, i'm trying to modify an example program (named tp_tagger) to work exactly the way i want it... if i'm to believe ruaok then i'm the only one in the world using it :)

is that good or bad? Is it something that will do something no other script will?

i believe picard is supposed to replace that program, maybe even replace the windows tagger as it's using wxpython iirc... i don't know much about it, to be honest

Knio is now known as Knio-dinner

Geez... Knio went for dinner without inviting any of us :( *G*

SighKick: well, i got an archive at the size of about 180gb... about 50% of those files are tagged correctly, while the other 50% didn't get a match on musicbrainz... since there's no way i'll tag all that music manually i want a program that virtually tries to tag as much music as possible for me

so i guess it's "good" :)

Yeah.... well something I discovered just yesterday here was this...

canidae: how do you verify the musicbrainz lookup is correct?

that any music 'made' from the old records (78, 45, 33) and any other medium other than CD will not have a unique fingerprint..

It HAS to have been produced on CD and ripped from there

kjetilho: i don't. i blindly trust the tagger, and hope that someone will report if there's an error

canidae: ok. I was considering to lookup several songs from the same album as a crosscheck, but it's quite a bit of work.

I have a song... OMD - (Forever) Live & Die (Extended Mix) 5'48" Long.... gives a TRM collision. Does anyone here know what I do next?

kjetilho : yeah... duplicate TRM's... had a very old song by Al Martino recognised as The Beatles

hehe, the second song on that album matches a song by Cavity. I guess Cavity is closer to Hole than Revolver, at least :-)

I don't know how this dBase resolves that...

I just tried it yesterday and if its made so many errors on my first attempt, I need to know how these will be resolved before proceeding?

the third song was identified correctly. the fourth song matches Gipsy Kings.

kjetilho: i've not seen this very often... i remember once when the "transformers theme song" was recognized as "asshole" by korn/slipknot/blink 182 or something like that... think i just erased the song though, as that song rarely fits in bars/disco :p

sum 41, it was

kjetilho: do you get one match, or several matches? tried increasing your trm collision thresdhold?

threshold

sorry, I didn't notice I could scroll down the page.

ok.. well onward we strive. I will check back later for more advice before I commit my songlist to any change

I got 15 matches on one of the songs

canidae: I'm just using the trm command line utility, can't see a threshold parameter there?

kjetilho: i take it as you're using linux, then :)

yep

python or a "real" program? :p

C++ it seems

real enough to me :)

have you seen something named "tp_tagger" there? :)

bye for now

SighKick: laters

no

1,8-:)

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kjetilho: hmm, really? let's see... you aren't using debian & the package "libtunepimp" by any chance?

I just downloaded the trm tarball off the musicbrainz site and compiled it