Without files with IDs, playing the right files can be hard.
2004-12-29 36449, 2004
ruaok
SighKick: yes, please!
2004-12-29 36419, 2004
ruaok
that way everyone cross references their files with MB and then everyone can know what music they are listening to.
2004-12-29 36426, 2004
ruaok
or want to listen to.
2004-12-29 36401, 2004
SighKick
does the database link with anything other than the song? lyrics, websites?
2004-12-29 36448, 2004
canidae
ruaok: woha... didn't know about xspf.org... neat!
2004-12-29 36458, 2004
SighKick
so the actual id is not the trm but the next one listed in the Musicbrainz dB
2004-12-29 36407, 2004
ruaok
canidae: we're still working on it. :)
2004-12-29 36413, 2004
ruaok
SighKick: yes.
2004-12-29 36419, 2004
canidae
ruaok: looks really promising
2004-12-29 36423, 2004
ruaok
canidae: thanks
2004-12-29 36427, 2004
SighKick
I'm learning, I'm learning
2004-12-29 36437, 2004
ruaok
the database doesn't link too many places yet.
2004-12-29 36439, 2004
canidae
i'm pretty fed up with "pls" & "ext3"... completly useless :\
2004-12-29 36443, 2004
ruaok
we're changing that soon.
2004-12-29 36449, 2004
ruaok
plus more people are starting to use our data.
2004-12-29 36456, 2004
kjetilho
so the MB will be constant even if the TRM algorithm is changed by Relatable?
2004-12-29 36422, 2004
ruaok
kjetilho: that's why we recommend that people not use the TRM for anything other than identfying music.
2004-12-29 36434, 2004
ruaok
once the music is properly identified, only MB ids should be used.
2004-12-29 36448, 2004
ruaok
So, then if TRM should go away, MB can keep chugging without throwing anything out.
2004-12-29 36435, 2004
SighKick
Ok.. so all of us are out here trying to get the MB better by the day
2004-12-29 36402, 2004
ruaok is glad to see that
2004-12-29 36413, 2004
SighKick three
2004-12-29 36432, 2004
ruaok
The project has been around for over 6 years now. We're finally getting some traction. :)
2004-12-29 36435, 2004
SighKick
I was thinking of the CDDB project...you put a cd into the computer and you get a playlist off the internet and it shows up in Winamp...
2004-12-29 36446, 2004
ruaok
MB does that.
2004-12-29 36404, 2004
SighKick
but when I play my MP3's, they are already named... so I thought... What the....?
2004-12-29 36425, 2004
SighKick
u see where I was coming from
2004-12-29 36431, 2004
ruaok
ya.
2004-12-29 36448, 2004
ruaok
See, most people are not as diligent as you when downloading music.
2004-12-29 36402, 2004
ruaok
most people either can't see why they should be or are plain too lazy.
2004-12-29 36404, 2004
SighKick
gee tnx :)
2004-12-29 36417, 2004
canidae
ruaok: just a quick quiz about xspf... i assume one of the ideas is to let people share playlists, and have the media player of their choice (which supports xspf) load in the tracks on the playlist (if he got those tracks)... if i'm right, how would the media player know where those files are located?
2004-12-29 36435, 2004
ruaok
Then they get an iPod and think the ipod is crap because they can't find their music on it.
2004-12-29 36440, 2004
SighKick
yeah, well I have a mission...trying to get the original of every #1 single for 4 countries from 1952...
2004-12-29 36401, 2004
kjetilho
canidae: presumably it would have a database of all available tracks.
2004-12-29 36416, 2004
ruaok
canidae: kjetilho is right.
2004-12-29 36426, 2004
ruaok
the concept we're talking about is a playlist resolver.
2004-12-29 36438, 2004
SighKick
yeah but canidae asked a good question none-the-less
2004-12-29 36446, 2004
ruaok
the resolver knows where your music lives and can match playlists to local files.
2004-12-29 36457, 2004
ruaok
and if the files are not local, it will know where to download them.
2004-12-29 36410, 2004
canidae
not bad, not bad
2004-12-29 36421, 2004
SighKick
Q: why would anyone want anothers play list?
2004-12-29 36424, 2004
ruaok
granted, there is a lot of handwaving in there, but its a first step.
2004-12-29 36437, 2004
ruaok
SighKick: have you ever tried sending a playlist to a friend?
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
ruaok
via email without the attached content?
2004-12-29 36456, 2004
SighKick
no... they play what they like, I play what i like
2004-12-29 36418, 2004
ruaok
fair, nuff. Though not everyone thinks that way.
2004-12-29 36433, 2004
ruaok
I have a very distinct taste in music and a lot of my friends ask me what music I play.
2004-12-29 36448, 2004
SighKick
thats what brought me in here to start with...thinking outside the SQUARE
2004-12-29 36449, 2004
ruaok
so, I'd like to send my friends my favorite playlist of the week.
2004-12-29 36413, 2004
ruaok doesn't even know where the square is anymore
2004-12-29 36430, 2004
SighKick
cool... like on irc where people tell the whole room what they are currently listening to... like we all need to know
2004-12-29 36440, 2004
ruaok
There is only a line between what we've built and what we've dreamt of. :-)
2004-12-29 36408, 2004
ruaok
yeah, that's pretty silly. Just adds noise to the channel.
2004-12-29 36409, 2004
canidae
SighKick: i see a great use for it... i guess i could call myself the admin of the music archive on a "partyplace" with lots of rooms with different music. however, the music may come from a server on samba/nfs network or locally... both "pls" & "ext3" screws up as the format differs on windows/linux (aswell as the paths are wrong)
2004-12-29 36451, 2004
ruaok
canidae: I hear ya. My house is kinda like the party place you describe.
2004-12-29 36456, 2004
canidae
hehe
2004-12-29 36402, 2004
SighKick
canidae : you on the Undernet? thats my poison
2004-12-29 36434, 2004
canidae
SighKick: heh, no... that must be one of the few servers i'm not on... well that one, quakenet & dalnet :p
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
canidae
s/servers/ircnets/
2004-12-29 36459, 2004
ruaok
ok, it was good chatting, but I gotta get back to hacking on AR.
2004-12-29 36404, 2004
ruaok is away: hacking
2004-12-29 36413, 2004
SighKick
LOL
2004-12-29 36438, 2004
kjetilho
AR == Action Request?
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
SighKick
I been on the Undernet since about 1996... it was/is the biggest...and it has good security...
2004-12-29 36423, 2004
canidae
no idea... in my case i think of "AR" as "Alternate Reality" ("Stars!", if anyone has ever played that game) :p
2004-12-29 36424, 2004
SighKick
Undernet/#Funtrivia for my trivia channel game...if anyone is bored
SighKick: the last thing i need is a trivia... beside, when i was in those kind of channels i always ended up making a script trying to guess or saving the answer of every quiz :p
2004-12-29 36448, 2004
canidae
add a little random delay, and after a while people will admire you for "knowing so much" :p
2004-12-29 36457, 2004
kjetilho is a quizaholic, but tries to restrict it to pubs in RL
2004-12-29 36450, 2004
SighKick
canidae : we try to kick channel idlers...
2004-12-29 36416, 2004
SighKick
but in reality it doesnt do much for your self image
2004-12-29 36449, 2004
canidae
hehe, ofcourse not... i was just presented with a "problem" and i solved it the way i usually solve stuff: by making a little program :)
2004-12-29 36439, 2004
SighKick
hey... doesnt this irc network *mask* ppls IP ?
2004-12-29 36421, 2004
canidae
SighKick: seems like your reverse is broken...
2004-12-29 36444, 2004
canidae
dunno what good it is to "hide" your ip anyways... usually it's not that hard to figure out someone's ip
2004-12-29 36454, 2004
SighKick
ride a motorbike...no reverse on a bike
2004-12-29 36439, 2004
SighKick
canidae : just that the Undernet does that to reduce dos attacks etc
2004-12-29 36436, 2004
SighKick
so.. New Zealand here.... where u ppl from?
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
canidae
norway, and apparently kjetilho too :)
2004-12-29 36424, 2004
canidae
iirc ruaok lives on the westcoast of the states, but comes from germany
2004-12-29 36434, 2004
SighKick
Supposed to be summer here... huh! .. been like winter...
2004-12-29 36457, 2004
canidae
and cikkolata lives in the united kingdom :)
2004-12-29 36408, 2004
SighKick
hey... save me inventing the wheel twice... looking for a database to hold the charts for four countries position 1 - 40 ... you know of any?
2004-12-29 36437, 2004
canidae
sorry, no
2004-12-29 36432, 2004
SighKick
It sounds easy when you first look at it, but when u see the variations...
2004-12-29 36410, 2004
SighKick
canidae : are you able to answer one query about tagging an mp3 if I give you the details?
2004-12-29 36446, 2004
canidae
maybe, although i'm fairly new here myself, so i still got alot to learn :)
2004-12-29 36459, 2004
canidae
but give it a shot, and i'll see what i can do :)
2004-12-29 36415, 2004
SighKick
ok.. this one is a red collision...
2004-12-29 36420, 2004
SighKick
just looking for a way to copy and paste from the musicbrainz dialog window..
2004-12-29 36402, 2004
canidae
hmm, is this the windows tagger application, or is it "picard"?
2004-12-29 36425, 2004
SighKick
windblows... thought picard was not ready yet
2004-12-29 36451, 2004
canidae
no, not yet afaik... thought it was "partially" working, though
2004-12-29 36412, 2004
SighKick
ok.. may have to type it longhand :(
2004-12-29 36432, 2004
canidae
hmm, i've never actually used the windows tagger myself... if it's a quiz about operating the program then i'll just have to guess :\
2004-12-29 36411, 2004
SighKick
maybe I will ask someone later....its not that important right now.
2004-12-29 36438, 2004
SighKick
canidae : so are you messin with that "picard" program?
2004-12-29 36419, 2004
canidae
SighKick: no, i'm trying to modify an example program (named tp_tagger) to work exactly the way i want it... if i'm to believe ruaok then i'm the only one in the world using it :)
2004-12-29 36419, 2004
SighKick
is that good or bad? Is it something that will do something no other script will?
2004-12-29 36432, 2004
canidae
i believe picard is supposed to replace that program, maybe even replace the windows tagger as it's using wxpython iirc... i don't know much about it, to be honest
2004-12-29 36448, 2004
Knio
Knio is now known as Knio-dinner
2004-12-29 36431, 2004
SighKick
Geez... Knio went for dinner without inviting any of us :( *G*
2004-12-29 36415, 2004
canidae
SighKick: well, i got an archive at the size of about 180gb... about 50% of those files are tagged correctly, while the other 50% didn't get a match on musicbrainz... since there's no way i'll tag all that music manually i want a program that virtually tries to tag as much music as possible for me
2004-12-29 36446, 2004
canidae
so i guess it's "good" :)
2004-12-29 36423, 2004
SighKick
Yeah.... well something I discovered just yesterday here was this...
2004-12-29 36417, 2004
kjetilho
canidae: how do you verify the musicbrainz lookup is correct?
2004-12-29 36421, 2004
SighKick
that any music 'made' from the old records (78, 45, 33) and any other medium other than CD will not have a unique fingerprint..
2004-12-29 36450, 2004
SighKick
It HAS to have been produced on CD and ripped from there
2004-12-29 36457, 2004
canidae
kjetilho: i don't. i blindly trust the tagger, and hope that someone will report if there's an error
2004-12-29 36417, 2004
kjetilho
canidae: ok. I was considering to lookup several songs from the same album as a crosscheck, but it's quite a bit of work.
2004-12-29 36403, 2004
kjetilho is a bit wary since the second song he tried, by Hole, was recognised as a song by the hitherto unknown band Revolver.
2004-12-29 36415, 2004
SighKick
I have a song... OMD - (Forever) Live & Die (Extended Mix) 5'48" Long.... gives a TRM collision. Does anyone here know what I do next?
2004-12-29 36418, 2004
SighKick
kjetilho : yeah... duplicate TRM's... had a very old song by Al Martino recognised as The Beatles
2004-12-29 36456, 2004
kjetilho
hehe, the second song on that album matches a song by Cavity. I guess Cavity is closer to Hole than Revolver, at least :-)
2004-12-29 36403, 2004
SighKick
I don't know how this dBase resolves that...
2004-12-29 36400, 2004
SighKick
I just tried it yesterday and if its made so many errors on my first attempt, I need to know how these will be resolved before proceeding?
2004-12-29 36411, 2004
kjetilho
the third song was identified correctly. the fourth song matches Gipsy Kings.
2004-12-29 36414, 2004
canidae
kjetilho: i've not seen this very often... i remember once when the "transformers theme song" was recognized as "asshole" by korn/slipknot/blink 182 or something like that... think i just erased the song though, as that song rarely fits in bars/disco :p
2004-12-29 36412, 2004
canidae
sum 41, it was
2004-12-29 36410, 2004
canidae
kjetilho: do you get one match, or several matches? tried increasing your trm collision thresdhold?
2004-12-29 36417, 2004
canidae
threshold
2004-12-29 36453, 2004
kjetilho
sorry, I didn't notice I could scroll down the page.
2004-12-29 36401, 2004
SighKick
ok.. well onward we strive. I will check back later for more advice before I commit my songlist to any change
2004-12-29 36412, 2004
kjetilho
I got 15 matches on one of the songs
2004-12-29 36441, 2004
kjetilho
canidae: I'm just using the trm command line utility, can't see a threshold parameter there?
2004-12-29 36408, 2004
canidae
kjetilho: i take it as you're using linux, then :)
2004-12-29 36417, 2004
kjetilho
yep
2004-12-29 36437, 2004
canidae
python or a "real" program? :p
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
kjetilho
C++ it seems
2004-12-29 36404, 2004
canidae
real enough to me :)
2004-12-29 36419, 2004
canidae
have you seen something named "tp_tagger" there? :)
2004-12-29 36428, 2004
SighKick
bye for now
2004-12-29 36435, 2004
canidae
SighKick: laters
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
kjetilho
no
2004-12-29 36452, 2004
SighKick
1,8-:)
2004-12-29 36402, 2004
SighKick
SighKick has left #MusicBrainz
2004-12-29 36419, 2004
canidae
kjetilho: hmm, really? let's see... you aren't using debian & the package "libtunepimp" by any chance?
2004-12-29 36446, 2004
kjetilho
I just downloaded the trm tarball off the musicbrainz site and compiled it
