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      • djce
        Can't we do both? :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09149, 2003

      • ruaok
        lets aim to...

        • 2003-04-01 09142, 2003

      • djce
        It's a record surely? The same April Fool's article linked to /five times/ on the /. front page.

        • 2003-04-01 09111, 2003

      • ruaok
        I pointed that out to Kevin and he just duely noted that they are poking fun at themselves. :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09112, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok, off to evil windows land I go...

        • 2003-04-01 09114, 2003

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      • djce
        Yes, but most /.'ers just don't find that shit funny. Sure the /article/ is funny, but the repeat posting just aint, not for most of us.

        • 2003-04-01 09157, 2003

      • ruaok
        ruaok (~robert@adsl-63-201-0-114.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-04-01 09116, 2003

      • ruaok
        I thankfully have a Mac I can use too. :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09109, 2003

      • djce
        wb already!

        • 2003-04-01 09145, 2003

      • ruaok
        OS X is really starting to grow on me.

        • 2003-04-01 09101, 2003

      • ruaok
        and windows seems like a silly toy now.

        • 2003-04-01 09142, 2003

      • djce
        Yes, it's been a while since I booted to Windows on this machine.

        • 2003-04-01 09159, 2003

      • djce
        Best thing I ever did was move my main mail repository to the Linux partition!

        • 2003-04-01 09132, 2003

      • ruaok
        I find that where the email lives is the place I use the most.

        • 2003-04-01 09140, 2003

      • ruaok
        And since win mail readers now suck...

        • 2003-04-01 09148, 2003

      • ruaok
        long live evolution!

        • 2003-04-01 09136, 2003

      • djce
        Oh, /now/ I see your point about the "build_words.pl" error. Ok, I'll check. (Duh.)

        • 2003-04-01 09152, 2003

      • djce doesn't read his mail very promptly

        • 2003-04-01 09107, 2003

      • ruaok
        lol

        • 2003-04-01 09150, 2003

      • djce
        There was a "--" line below the first paragraph or so, which Moz takes as a sig boundary. Hence the rest of the mail was "greyed out". So I stopped reading. :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09120, 2003

      • ruaok
        Oooops. I should've used one more -

        • 2003-04-01 09133, 2003

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      • phidauex
        <ruaok> and windows seems like a silly toy now

        • 2003-04-01 09144, 2003

      • phidauex
        I told you the other night, mac users are taking over MB

        • 2003-04-01 09147, 2003

      • phidauex
        :)

        • 2003-04-01 09126, 2003

      • yalaforge
        yalaforge (~matthias@krl9-d9bb4c61.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-04-01 09127, 2003

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      • yalaforge
        I'm currently writing a command line CD ripper using the new perl bindings.

        • 2003-04-01 09159, 2003

      • yalaforge
        I get a lot of information like trackID, albumID etc. from MB. It would be a waste to throw that away.

        • 2003-04-01 09118, 2003

      • yalaforge
        Is there any convention on how to put these in an ID3v2.3 tag?

        • 2003-04-01 09122, 2003

      • djce
        hi yalaforge

        • 2003-04-01 09135, 2003

      • yalaforge
        hi

        • 2003-04-01 09146, 2003

      • djce
        It's a bit quiet here at the mo - stick around, see if icepick or rob can answer your question.

        • 2003-04-01 09154, 2003

      • yalaforge
        OK, thanks.

        • 2003-04-01 09158, 2003

      • djce
        (I can't help, I'm afraid)

        • 2003-04-01 09110, 2003

      • djce
        rob==ruaok btw

        • 2003-04-01 09120, 2003

      • yalaforge
        Yes, I know.

        • 2003-04-01 09127, 2003

      • djce
        :-) just checking

        • 2003-04-01 09142, 2003

      • yalaforge
        I've been here a few weeks ago, we fixed a little bug together :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09140, 2003

      • djce
        Excellent! Welcome back, valued MB contributor :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09152, 2003

      • yalaforge
        :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09117, 2003

      • yalaforge
        Do you know if there is other MB-enabled software available?

        • 2003-04-01 09115, 2003

      • djce
        There's a prototype (beta?) version of CDEx with MB support.

        • 2003-04-01 09138, 2003

      • yalaforge
        CDEx? Never heard before, to be honest.

        • 2003-04-01 09143, 2003

      • djce
        Zinf, of course. The tagger.

        • 2003-04-01 09156, 2003

      • djce
        CDEx is the most popular (I think) CD ripper on Windows.

        • 2003-04-01 09158, 2003

      • yalaforge
        I know Zinf, but it doesn't compile on NetBSD.

        • 2003-04-01 09112, 2003

      • djce
        CDex may be on other platforms too, I forget.

        • 2003-04-01 09141, 2003

      • djce
        We should have a page listing these things on the web site. Or an FAQ entry.

        • 2003-04-01 09155, 2003

      • djce
        My answer is probably about 10% of the total :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09120, 2003

      • yalaforge
        Good idea. You could put it on the wiki.

        • 2003-04-01 09136, 2003

      • djce
        I'll start it now...

        • 2003-04-01 09144, 2003

      • djce
        http://musicbrainz.org/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.pl?FaqEn… - we'll try to make sure your question gets an answer there.

        • 2003-04-01 09146, 2003

      • phidauex
        phidauex (~phidauex@dsl093-192-027.stl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-04-01 09105, 2003

      • yalaforge
        Great, thank you.

        • 2003-04-01 09158, 2003

      • djce
        Feel free to add in more questions to be answered if you've got any

        • 2003-04-01 09107, 2003

      • djce
        biab...

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      • MBChatLogger
        There is no log URI

        • 2003-04-01 09150, 2003

      • phidauex
        MBChatLogger: bookmark

        • 2003-04-01 09106, 2003

      • phidauex
        MBChatLogger: listen

        • 2003-04-01 09117, 2003

      • phidauex
        if you are already logging, then wtf is the url? ;)

        • 2003-04-01 09146, 2003

      • yalaforge
        http://musicbrainz.org/archives/irc/musicbrainz/2… ?

        • 2003-04-01 09124, 2003

      • phidauex
        yeah, thats it

        • 2003-04-01 09142, 2003

      • phidauex
        i'd like the bot to tell me though.. we are setting up the same bot over in audioscrobbler land

        • 2003-04-01 09150, 2003

      • icepick
        yalaforge: I'm at work now, but I will try to remember to add to that faq tonight

        • 2003-04-01 09121, 2003

      • yalaforge
        OK

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        • 2003-04-01 09111, 2003

      • ruaok
        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chro…

        • 2003-04-01 09144, 2003

      • ruaok
        Not good. Possible SARS infections on a plane that arrived from Tokyo.

        • 2003-04-01 09116, 2003

      • phidauex
        have you ever seen 'the andromeda strain'?

        • 2003-04-01 09119, 2003

      • phidauex
        its going to be like that

        • 2003-04-01 09114, 2003

      • phidauex
        the only survivors are going to be the baby and the mysterious old man

        • 2003-04-01 09148, 2003

      • djce
        djce (~davide@195.60.9.122) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-04-01 09109, 2003

      • djce
        ruaok: a scratchpad area for FAQ entries: http://musicbrainz.org/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.pl?FaqEn…

        • 2003-04-01 09140, 2003

      • djce
        The idea being that people add a question first, and it gets answered later

        • 2003-04-01 09156, 2003

      • djce
        then finally gets added to an FAQ page on the web

        • 2003-04-01 09104, 2003

      • ruaok
        I saw the question above -- and I will shortly provide an answer for it. :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09116, 2003

      • djce
        ok :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09125, 2003

      • icepick
        ruaok: have you looked at the id3v2.4 spec... they have a place for artistsortnames

        • 2003-04-01 09150, 2003

      • ruaok
        cool -- we'll have to support that once id3lib catches up for 2.4

        • 2003-04-01 09105, 2003

      • ruaok
        id3lib is lagging but at least its stable.

        • 2003-04-01 09139, 2003

      • verus
        id3 tags rock

        • 2003-04-01 09113, 2003

      • ruaok
        verus: actually they suck

        • 2003-04-01 09131, 2003

      • ruaok
        they are the worst technical specifications have seen in a long time.

        • 2003-04-01 09148, 2003

      • verus
        i would hate to be without them though

        • 2003-04-01 09149, 2003

      • ruaok
        Poorly designed -- so poorly designed that the reference implementation is never fully complete.

        • 2003-04-01 09157, 2003

      • ruaok
        I'll grant you that.

        • 2003-04-01 09105, 2003

      • ruaok
        I just want real XML based tags in my files.

        • 2003-04-01 09123, 2003

      • ruaok
        And next time I see Martin Nillson I will have to restrain myself from not pummeling him.

        • 2003-04-01 09127, 2003

      • ruaok vents

        • 2003-04-01 09132, 2003

      • verus
        =]

        • 2003-04-01 09136, 2003

      • verus
        is that the guy that created it

        • 2003-04-01 09140, 2003

      • verus
        martin nillson

        • 2003-04-01 09123, 2003

      • ruaok
        yup

        • 2003-04-01 09108, 2003

      • ruaok
        If I ever get to teach comp sci classes I will dissesct the ID3v2 spec for its numerous design flaws.

        • 2003-04-01 09138, 2003

      • verus
        well its design's flaw is probably the only reaosn i was able to write the picture to the id3v2

        • 2003-04-01 09151, 2003

      • verus
        if it was a good system, it shouldnt of let me =]

        • 2003-04-01 09145, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok, now for an informal survey:

        • 2003-04-01 09152, 2003

      • ruaok
        I am adding the feature to allow the tagger users write files to an artist/album/track dir hierarchy.

        • 2003-04-01 09105, 2003

      • ruaok
        what should the default hierarchy look like?

        • 2003-04-01 09112, 2003

      • verus
        tune tagger for linux already has that

        • 2003-04-01 09113, 2003

      • verus
        so like this

        • 2003-04-01 09120, 2003

      • ruaok
        artist/album/tracknum-track.mp3 is my fave.

        • 2003-04-01 09158, 2003

      • verus
        Rahowa/Cult Of The Holy War/Rahowa - Cult Of The Holy War - 02 - Man Against Time.mp

        • 2003-04-01 09104, 2003

      • verus
        thats how it is

        • 2003-04-01 09127, 2003

      • verus
        Artist/Album/Artist - Album - Tracknum - Title.mp3

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      • ruaok
        I can buy that. Any other opinions?

        • 2003-04-01 09109, 2003

      • verus
        =]

        • 2003-04-01 09139, 2003

      • ruaok
        yes same here. this is only for the default.

        • 2003-04-01 09150, 2003

      • verus
        oh cool

        • 2003-04-01 09151, 2003

      • ruaok
        I want to pick a default that will suit most people.

        • 2003-04-01 09158, 2003

      • icepick
        ruaok: I did it that way for all the p2p systems that only show you the filename

        • 2003-04-01 09111, 2003

      • icepick
        so I think that is a great default for most of the world

        • 2003-04-01 09125, 2003

      • ruaok
        thanks for the feedback. I already implemented it. :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09110, 2003

      • djce
        Yay! New test server up on http://cuthbert.rudolf.org.uk:8080/

        • 2003-04-01 09121, 2003

      • djce
        A few more minor tweaks to the codebase... we're getting there.

        • 2003-04-01 09121, 2003

      • ruaok
        yay

        • 2003-04-01 09140, 2003

      • ruaok
        are you going to let the public hammer on that machine?

        • 2003-04-01 09157, 2003

      • djce
        I'm thinking about it.

        • 2003-04-01 09123, 2003

      • djce
        I'm quite happy to let people access it if they tell me their IP and I let them in, certainly.

        • 2003-04-01 09129, 2003

      • ruaok
        at least until I get my fat ass of the staging server here?

        • 2003-04-01 09130, 2003

      • djce
        Still unsure about full world access.

        • 2003-04-01 09141, 2003

      • djce
        Carry on :-)

        • 2003-04-01 09107, 2003

      • phidauex
        its probably too late to chime in, but i like /artist/album/artist - tracknumber - songname.(mp3|ogg)

        • 2003-04-01 09134, 2003

      • eikeon has started using trackid.mp3 for filenames :) -- Have not figured out if I can set that in .ini

        • 2003-04-01 09136, 2003

      • phidauex
        keeps the filenames from getting ludicrous, but identifies the two most important parts of the song for identifcation

        • 2003-04-01 09146, 2003

      • icepick
        eikeon: I will make it so

        • 2003-04-01 09152, 2003

      • eikeon
        Cool :)

        • 2003-04-01 09103, 2003

      • phidauex
        trackid.mp3, eh? not easily human parsable there, eh? ;)

        • 2003-04-01 09106, 2003

      • eikeon
        Also... I got to the point where I need to start using a tagger.

        • 2003-04-01 09144, 2003

      • phidauex
        most of my stuff is well tagged, i'm pretty obsessive about it, but i recently got donated about 5 gigs of stuff from a friend that is a disaster area in terms of tagging and organization

        • 2003-04-01 09151, 2003

      • eikeon
        No... but that is what the metadata is for... why duplicate it ;) -- Just need players that do not depend on the filename.

        • 2003-04-01 09154, 2003

      • phidauex
        musicbrainz has come in VERY handy

        • 2003-04-01 09129, 2003

      • phidauex
        p2p systems use the filename, and if i'm looking for a specific song i want to hear.. i don't want to have to load up a whole directory of songs just to find it ;)

        • 2003-04-01 09159, 2003

      • phidauex
        but hey, if it works for you, more power to ya :)

        • 2003-04-01 09115, 2003

      • eikeon
        I was able to find trackids for about 80% of my collection... time to tag the other 20%

        • 2003-04-01 09135, 2003

      • phidauex
        i've still got about 20% of incredibly obscure stuff that is very poorly tagged and identified..

        • 2003-04-01 09121, 2003

      • phidauex
        weird hiphop mixes from the dark ages that never ended up on official albums, israeli psy-trance music that was never released in this hemisphere, misc reggae from god-knows-where, etc..

        • 2003-04-01 09134, 2003

      • phidauex
        the tagger doesn't know what it is, and I can't even find album information on it to submit it to the database ;)

        • 2003-04-01 09150, 2003

      • eikeon
        icepick: Where is the python command line tagger again? Was it tunepimp?

        • 2003-04-01 09133, 2003

      • eikeon
        I was trying tagger.py the other day... am still getting Select1 failed messages.

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      • icepick
        tagger

        • 2003-04-01 09151, 2003

      • icepick
        tagger.py

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      • icepick
        eikeon: it just means there is no match for that song

        • 2003-04-01 09113, 2003

      • icepick
        I will try and get that fixed too

        • 2003-04-01 09134, 2003

      • icepick
        eikeon: I would love to see your tools for finding/playing songs using rdflib

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      • djce
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