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      • djce
        hey yalaforge. wb.

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      • djce
        It's been too quiet here the last few days...

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      • yalaforge
        djce: hi

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      • yalaforge
        yes, I read the logs. Pretty boring

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      • djce
        You know that session-versus-form thing I was talking to you about last time?

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      • yalaforge
        yup

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      • djce
        I bit the bullet and redid it

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      • djce
        and am very happy that I did. It's much nicer.

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      • yalaforge
        wow

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      • djce
        of course, you can do a "cvs update" and play with it on your server :-)

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      • yalaforge
        :-)

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      • yalaforge
        how long did it take?

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      • djce
        a couple more evenings

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      • djce
        not a lot really.

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      • yalaforge
        cool. BTW: could you answer a quick question?

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      • djce
        Also it made it really easy to implement a feature I've wanted for a while,

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      • djce
        namely "mods I've added since logging in".

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      • djce
        sure, go ahead.

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      • yalaforge
        the track/album etc. has a pending mod attribute. That isn't really reliable, right?

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      • djce
        It's meant to be, but it has flaws

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      • djce
        and it probably quite often goes out of sync.

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      • djce
        The trouble is that re-calculating what the correct values are is not easy.

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      • yalaforge
        ah, ok. and it is expensive to get the status from the moderation table

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      • djce
        Fairly, yes.

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      • yalaforge
        hm. that's a problem I have to solve for my cleanup script

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      • djce
        The problem is there's no really fast way of saying "what mods are there which affect this track/album/artist".

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      • yalaforge
        it already identifies and fixes broken stuff but it doesn't commit yet

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      • djce
        What data do you need to find?

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      • yalaforge
        I'm looking for broken track names ('track name feat. artist')

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      • yalaforge
        when I found them, the script rewrites them

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      • djce
        ok, where does modpending fit into this?

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      • yalaforge
        but I don't want to write it to the DB when there's a pending mod

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      • djce
        ah

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      • djce
        a pending "edit track name" mod?

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      • yalaforge
        yes

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      • djce
        Well that would be much easier to test for.

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      • djce
        You can pretty easily say "find me track IDs for which there is a pending Edit Track Name mod".

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      • yalaforge
        ah, yes.

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      • yalaforge
        the problem with my script is that it is interactive

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      • djce
        why so - because it has to ask "should I fix this?" for each track?

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      • yalaforge
        yes. It prints the data to a file. The user can then delete those that shouldn't be fixed

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      • yalaforge
        much like the SmartQuotes script

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      • djce
        ok

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      • yalaforge
        is this acceptable?

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      • djce
        Yes, I expect so.

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      • djce
        The drawback is that the smartquotes script isn't run automatically

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      • djce
        so it is, as you say, a case of running it by hand from time to time

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      • djce
        so your script would fall into the same category.

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      • yalaforge
        my script shouldn't be run automatically, either

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      • djce
        It's not ideal, but it's better than no script at all.

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      • yalaforge
        I can make it automatic, but I think that's the wrong solution

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      • yalaforge
        we should use the heuristic when new data enters the database

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      • yalaforge
        and ask the user 'are you really sure it look like this?'

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      • djce
        try to suggest a fix as the data is added?

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      • djce
        ok

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      • yalaforge
        yes

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      • yalaforge
        I'd like to look into this after the script is finished

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      • yalaforge
        ok then, time for football :-)

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      • djce
        bye

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      • mxpxpod
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      • mxpxpod
        real: around?

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      • mxpxpod
        anybody around?

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      • mxpxpod
        :D

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      • mxpxpod
        djce: !!

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      • djce
        hi

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      • djce
        It's pretty quiet here...

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      • mxpxpod
        can you automod track number changes?

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      • djce
        errr... let me check the code :-D

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      • mxpxpod
        k

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      • mxpxpod
        also, I have a song title automod for ya

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      • djce
        apparently, yes

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      • mxpxpod
        cool

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      • mxpxpod
        I have two automods for ya

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      • mxpxpod
        aw crap

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      • mxpxpod
        http://mm.musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=5518…

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      • mxpxpod
        my other mod is a series of 11 mods

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      • djce
        I can automod that name for you.

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      • djce
        It will cause your moderation to fail.

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      • mxpxpod
        k

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      • mxpxpod
        I'll delete my mod really quick

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      • mxpxpod
        then you can automod it

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      • djce
        ok

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      • djce
        done

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      • mxpxpod
        djce: ok, deleted

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      • mxpxpod
        sweet, now I can rip that cd

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      • djce
        :-)

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      • mxpxpod
        alright... let's see

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      • mxpxpod
        now, about this get up kids cd

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      • mxpxpod
        http://mm.musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumid=…

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      • mxpxpod
        as you can see, someone was retarded and counted 1,3,4...

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      • djce
        oops!

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      • djce
        I see.

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      • djce checks amazon

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      • mxpxpod
        I just checked all music, and it's a 12 track album

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      • djce
        Hmm.

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      • djce
        According to amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00…)

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      • djce
        it's 12-track

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      • djce
        but the MB stuff is correct.

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      • mxpxpod
        huh?

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      • djce
        specifically, there is a track 2 called "Action and Action".

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      • djce
        the Amazon doesn't have a track 13, but MB does.

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      • mxpxpod
        strange

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      • mxpxpod
        hold on, lemme get the cd cover

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      • djce
        So according to Amazon, renumbering the tracks would be wrong.

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      • mxpxpod
        right

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      • mxpxpod
        hmmm...

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      • mxpxpod
        yeah, there's no "Forgive and Forget" track on my cd list

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      • mxpxpod
        hold on

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      • djce
        maybe be a different album then

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      • mxpxpod
        yeah, must be

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      • mxpxpod
        ugh, I hate morons that can't figure out how their cd's are

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      • mxpxpod
        ok, lemme delete my mods

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