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      • alus
        so I was having a problem with a few mp3's coming up with 0000etc TRMs. Winamp's native mp3 decoder plays these files fine, but using the MAD plugin for Winamp, they're silence.

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      • alus
        so obviously whatever's wrong with the files, the MB tagger can't figure out either.

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      • alus
        is there a way to figure out what's going on with them?

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      • verus
        ive had a couple like that as well!

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      • danbri
        hi folks

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      • danbri
        http://rdfweb.org/people/danbri/media/2003/06/del… is my attempt last night to describe some mp3s by some friends, using rdf (foaf and dublin core)

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      • danbri
        I thought I should probably use MusicBrainz vocab... do you have a class along lines of 'AudioDocument'?

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      • danbri
        is http://www.musicbrainz.org/MM/ findable from the frontpage somehow? I couldn't see a link...

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      • alex
        moose

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      • icepick
        danbri: somewhere in the developer section I thing

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      • icepick
        s/thing/think

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      • icepick
        alus: most likely they are damaged somehow

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      • icepick
        alus: the thing to do is get a six second snip of the file and upload it somewhere and point the mad developers to it

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      • alus
        does MB tagger use the mad libs?

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      • alus
        (no puns intended)

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      • icepick
        alus: yes

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      • icepick
        as does tunetagger

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      • icepick
        I have another mp3 decoding lib, but it's not as full featured as the mad decoder

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      • alus
        ah.

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      • alus
        hm, I wonder if I can get a six second clip without it fixing the problem.

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      • icepick
        alus: is it a VBR file?

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      • icepick
        you can just figure out how big the frames are and use dd to copy out just enought to make it

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      • icepick
        or just exp with dd

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      • alus
        looks like they're straight 192

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      • alus
        hm, I wonder who the best person is to contact.

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      • danbri
        <icepick> danbri: somewhere in the developer section I thing

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      • danbri
        yup, thought so. but I can't find that either! Is it still linked from homepage?

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      • ruaok
        morning!

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      • ruaok
        what are you guys looking for?

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      • alus
        morning :)

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      • danbri
        Ah, I was looking for the metadata stuff... (and the developer stuff) but only reading the navbar bits of the front page.

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      • danbri
        I see the links now, in main body

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      • ruaok
        ok

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      • danbri
        hi btw!

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      • icepick
        Here is an idea I had

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      • icepick
        for every album/track/artist we have a trackback url... a la Movable Type

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      • ruaok
        yup.

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      • icepick
        people could add reviews, comments about live shows, etc

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      • ruaok
        people could start music blogs

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      • icepick
        moderators could put a comment up for voting out that comment

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      • ruaok
        and the trackbacks would keep track of all the content.

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      • icepick
        or perhaps a whole blog because of crappy content

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      • ruaok
        I totally agree...

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      • icepick
        I need to brush up on my perl sk1lls... :)

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      • ruaok
        please do. :-)

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      • yalaforge
        ruaok: I linked the tunepimp tagger against pth-1.4.1, now it doesn't segfault immediately

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      • ruaok
        great -- i"m glad to hear that.

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      • ruaok
        have you been able to tag any files with it?

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      • yalaforge
        well, it doesn't actually *do* anything.

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      • yalaforge
        I type 'a file.mp3', It says 'file added' and that's it

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      • yalaforge
        no more 'analyzing' or anything

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      • ruaok
        thats not good. :-(

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      • ruaok
        I wonder if the analyzer thread started properly.

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      • yalaforge
        no chance to get that information, since gdb doesn't work properly on netbsd

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      • ruaok
        sigh.

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      • yalaforge
        I searched a bit in the mailing lists and others had that 'info threads' problem as well

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      • ruaok
        Well, things work great on linux and on mac os x.

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      • yalaforge
        I think I'll move on to freebsd ;-)

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      • ruaok
        Good thought.

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      • yalaforge
        BTW: I had a look at configure.in

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      • yalaforge
        IMHO it would be best to wait until libmb-2.0.2 is out

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      • yalaforge
        then we can check for that (using pkg-config, for example)

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      • ruaok
        ok

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      • ruaok
        2.0.2 is pretty much ready to go.

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      • ruaok
        I'll probably push it out with the first cut of libtp...

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      • alus
        oh boy! changelog?

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      • ruaok
        no real changes.

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      • ruaok
        A couple of new extract queries and full mac os x support.

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      • alus
        ok - bug submitted to MAD - if you guys get/find and "TRM is coming up as all 0's!" bugs, let them know it's a MAD problem, and they know about it.

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      • ruaok
        ok cool.

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      • alus
        s/find and/find any/

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      • ruaok
        bbiab

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      • alus
        hm

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      • alus
        the guy behind MAD has declared those mp3 to be 'encoded wrong' and recommends re-encoding, since he will not adapt MAD to read them.

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      • alus
        seems sort of silly to me, but that's the official answer

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      • icepick
        alus: get the program mp3guessenc

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      • icepick
        and run that on the file

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      • icepick
        alus: did he have anymore details?

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      • icepick
        it would be intresting to know if you could write a tool that would "repack" the mpeg data and make it work

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      • alus
        you know, nothing startling - the mp3's were encoded with CRC info, but the checksums were computed wrong

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      • alus
        seems fixable

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      • icepick
        oh yes...

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      • icepick
        http://www.mp3-converter.com/mp3codec/mp3_anatomy…

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      • alus
        neat

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      • icepick
        alus: so ... I wonder how the checksum is computed

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      • icepick
        alus: I know ... look at the lame src

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      • alus
        yay google: http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/mp3encoder/2001-…

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      • alus
        hah, I just found another page with conflicting information..

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      • alus
        ah, but the second page was just being too brief

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      • alus
        </thinking out loud>

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: Afternoon, Rob.

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: Mordred is finally back up, but we lost Nagios

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      • ruaok
        :-(

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: Everything on /usr is gone, I'll be rebuilding it toady and tomorrow

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      • ruaok
        Nagios was on goblin and on morded, right?

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: Hey, no midnight pages for a while, eh? ;-)

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      • ruaok
        Its been doing ok anyway... :-)

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: It was only running on Mordred, but I've got config backups on goblin

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: And the configs are the hard part. ;-)

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      • ruaok
        ahhh.

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: Yeah, it's gone back to doing what it's supposed to do, telling us when a server goes down.

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      • jsimmons
        ruaok: Instead of when zim gets overloaded. Gotta love bender!

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      • ruaok
        all hail bender!

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      • alus
        icepick-away: so I found this: http://www.0vermann.de/soft/mp3check/mp3check.html

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      • alus
        that seems to do the right thing with --fix-crc

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      • kyleboon|sleep
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      • ruaok
        kyleboon: hey!

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      • ruaok
        Have you played with libtunepimp yet?

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      • ruaok
        The basics work and I'm adding new features that will make it smarter than the current tagger.

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      • alus
        how does libtunepimp generate TRMs?

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      • ruaok
        mb_client

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      • ruaok
        libtunpimp is an abstraction layer on top of mb_client.

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      • alus
        ah.

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      • alus
        does mb_client do the decoding of the files?

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      • alus
        (for TRMs)

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      • ruaok
        but each audio format that is supported has two classes:

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      • ruaok
        1. The decode -> trm code

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      • ruaok
        2. reading/writing metadata

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      • ruaok
        no.

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      • ruaok
        libtunepimp does all that, and feeds the PCM to mb_client.

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      • alus
        I see.