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      • ruaok
        np

        • 2003-12-20 35411, 2003

      • ruaok
        I've added somme comments on the wiki.

        • 2003-12-20 35430, 2003

      • rjmunro
        You missed the fact that only non-leading choices decay.

        • 2003-12-20 35445, 2003

      • ruaok
        Ahh. ok.

        • 2003-12-20 35402, 2003

      • rjmunro
        If rare music is never looked at or edited, it just sticks around exactly as originally entered.

        • 2003-12-20 35429, 2003

      • rjmunro
        The only way it would disappear is if someone comes along and proposes something different.

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok

        • 2003-12-20 35448, 2003

      • rjmunro
        Perhaps I should have made that clearer.

        • 2003-12-20 35415, 2003

      • rjmunro
        I suppose there is a problem in that if people think they can sing, record a CD on a CD Recorder, then add themselves to the database, even though they never sell anything or do anything, they will stick around forever.

        • 2003-12-20 35452, 2003

      • taaz
        immortality!

        • 2003-12-20 35407, 2003

      • rjmunro
        I cannot think of a solution to that problem. We probably have it already.

        • 2003-12-20 35414, 2003

      • soccos
        Britney Spears?

        • 2003-12-20 35443, 2003

      • real
        or people could also use musicbrainz as a secret way of communicating

        • 2003-12-20 35426, 2003

      • soccos
        maybe they already do

        • 2003-12-20 35456, 2003

      • real
        like Artist: Algalgla Album: Plans to bomb embassy Track1: 12/24/03 Track2: Dynamite Track3: Commence on 8:40 AM

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • djce has quit

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      • soccos
        mb-day1-3-01 rules!

        • 2003-12-20 35413, 2003

      • soccos
        that should be added to the db ;-)

        • 2003-12-20 35455, 2003

      • soccos
        I love the 'tea break' sessions

        • 2003-12-20 35424, 2003

      • soccos
        every summit should have something cultural that identifies where it took place

        • 2003-12-20 35450, 2003

      • ruaok
        oh, all the rererences to 'muppet' didn't give a clue?

        • 2003-12-20 35404, 2003

      • ruaok
        At least that narrows it to .uk

        • 2003-12-20 35420, 2003

      • soccos
        haven't got to that yet

        • 2003-12-20 35437, 2003

      • soccos
        the adding of sugar and stirring was awesome though

        • 2003-12-20 35449, 2003

      • ruaok
        :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35406, 2003

      • soccos
        I have a hilarious Chris Morris sketch which was almost identical

        • 2003-12-20 35446, 2003

      • soccos
        sounded really productive

        • 2003-12-20 35452, 2003

      • soccos
        the summit, not the tea

        • 2003-12-20 35457, 2003

      • ruaok
        it was.

        • 2003-12-20 35406, 2003

      • ruaok
        day two was most excellent.

        • 2003-12-20 35413, 2003

      • ruaok
        But the mic wasn't up to the job... :-(

        • 2003-12-20 35421, 2003

      • soccos
        works for me

        • 2003-12-20 35425, 2003

      • soccos
        it's really clean

        • 2003-12-20 35434, 2003

      • soccos
        s/clean/clear

        • 2003-12-20 35444, 2003

      • ruaok
        yeah, when 3 people were there. Not so hot for 7

        • 2003-12-20 35437, 2003

      • soccos
        oh well, sound crew next time then

        • 2003-12-20 35443, 2003

      • soccos
        do record companies really restrict the playing of music samples in US music stores?

        • 2003-12-20 35412, 2003

      • Knio
        All of the thousands of subpoenas filed by the Recording Industry Association of America in its legal pursuit of accused illegal Internet file traders have been invalidated by a court ruling against the industry association.

        • 2003-12-20 35450, 2003

      • soccos
        oops

        • 2003-12-20 35402, 2003

      • ruaok
        soccos: there is a Borders here in town that has the music preview system now.

        • 2003-12-20 35402, 2003

      • Knio
        The court found that the subpoena provisions of the controversial DMCA did not apply to private communications on a subscriber's computer or the P2P applications and networks used for music file sharing.

        • 2003-12-20 35423, 2003

      • ruaok
        http://mayhem-chaos.net/blog/archives/000424.html

        • 2003-12-20 35426, 2003

      • ruaok
        my take on it.

        • 2003-12-20 35448, 2003

      • soccos
        UK (EU?) has RIP

        • 2003-12-20 35457, 2003

      • soccos
        which might mean ISPs have to give up that info

        • 2003-12-20 35405, 2003

      • soccos
        but probably only in extreme cases

        • 2003-12-20 35446, 2003

      • Knio
        canada has the RIAA's little brother, the RIA(?), but they cant do anything

        • 2003-12-20 35449, 2003

      • soccos
        practically unworkable anyway

        • 2003-12-20 35435, 2003

      • soccos
        ruaok: I'd been thinking along the "record store system" lines

        • 2003-12-20 35448, 2003

      • soccos
        mb would be useful for inventory

        • 2003-12-20 35416, 2003

      • soccos
        as well as pre-sales listening

        • 2003-12-20 35422, 2003

      • Knio
        the movie industry is getting mad too... I got traced on dc and got a warning from my isp

        • 2003-12-20 35458, 2003

      • rjmunro has quit

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      • soccos has quit

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      • Mutiny
        Mutiny (~mutiny [at h0000deadbeef.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-12-20 35433, 2003

      • ruaok is away: I'm busy

        • 2003-12-20 35411, 2003

      • kyleboon
        kyleboon (~kyleboon [at dhcp065-024-013-066.columbus.rr.com] has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • Knio has quit

        • 2003-12-20 35413, 2003

      • Knio
        Knio (~knio [at d198-53-189-49.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-12-20 35431, 2003

      • icepick-away
        icepick-away is now known as icepick

        • 2003-12-20 35419, 2003

      • icepick
        icepick is now known as icepick-away

        • 2003-12-20 35449, 2003

      • kyleboon has quit

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      • Knio
        Knio is now known as Knio-sleep

        • 2003-12-20 35404, 2003

      • djce
        djce (~davide [at 195.60.9.122]) has joined #musicbrainz

        • 2003-12-20 35407, 2003

      • ruaok
        morning!

        • 2003-12-20 35435, 2003

      • ruaok
        Check this: http://test.musicbrainz.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

        • 2003-12-20 35458, 2003

      • djce expects a bulletin board....

        • 2003-12-20 35406, 2003

      • djce
        nice!

        • 2003-12-20 35416, 2003

      • ruaok
        fully integrated with MB logins.

        • 2003-12-20 35434, 2003

      • ruaok
        it still has some rough edges.

        • 2003-12-20 35439, 2003

      • djce
        oh. I didn't expect that.

        • 2003-12-20 35440, 2003

      • djce
        :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35419, 2003

      • ruaok
        there is a new login: yabbadmin passwd: yabb

        • 2003-12-20 35426, 2003

      • djce
        Untrapped Error:

        • 2003-12-20 35429, 2003

      • djce
        Can't locate ./Sources/Profile.pl in @INC

        • 2003-12-20 35441, 2003

      • ruaok
        login to test with that and then you do the forum admin thing.

        • 2003-12-20 35448, 2003

      • ruaok
        yup, I'm in the process of removing the link.

        • 2003-12-20 35404, 2003

      • ruaok
        Logout and Members are going too.

        • 2003-12-20 35438, 2003

      • djce tries the admin

        • 2003-12-20 35433, 2003

      • djce
        so is this so people can create forums to discuss specific moderation issues or genres?

        • 2003-12-20 35445, 2003

      • ruaok
        yes.

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • djce
        I'm trying to understand what gap it fills.

        • 2003-12-20 35411, 2003

      • djce
        users can create forums?

        • 2003-12-20 35411, 2003

      • ruaok
        Hmmm.

        • 2003-12-20 35438, 2003

      • ruaok
        no. its just an online discussion board -- something more direct and immediate than email/mailing lists.

        • 2003-12-20 35443, 2003

      • ruaok
        More visible too, I hope.

        • 2003-12-20 35458, 2003

      • ruaok
        Our users will use it, or we dump it overboard. :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35405, 2003

      • djce
        is the data archivable?

        • 2003-12-20 35416, 2003

      • ruaok
        its all stored in text files.

        • 2003-12-20 35417, 2003

      • djce
        i.e. in a readily-usable exportable format?

        • 2003-12-20 35430, 2003

      • ruaok
        No, but a simple perl script will do that.

        • 2003-12-20 35436, 2003

      • djce
        ok

        • 2003-12-20 35438, 2003

      • ruaok
        The dataformats are bone easy.

        • 2003-12-20 35446, 2003

      • ruaok
        Everything about this is bone easy.

        • 2003-12-20 35454, 2003

      • djce
        http://test.musicbrainz.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi… :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35457, 2003

      • ruaok
        Which is the reason why I chose it.

        • 2003-12-20 35412, 2003

      • djce
        I like the first entry :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35427, 2003

      • ruaok
        ahahaha.

        • 2003-12-20 35403, 2003

      • djce
        hmmm. all these artist and album links need reorganising.

        • 2003-12-20 35419, 2003

      • ruaok
        how so?

        • 2003-12-20 35428, 2003

      • djce
        when logged in, there are 8 artist links

        • 2003-12-20 35433, 2003

      • djce
        and (counts....)

        • 2003-12-20 35445, 2003

      • djce
        ... 12 album links

        • 2003-12-20 35453, 2003

      • ruaok
        on which page??

        • 2003-12-20 35455, 2003

      • djce
        in five different rows of links.

        • 2003-12-20 35402, 2003

      • djce
        oh, sorry: http://test.musicbrainz.org/showalbum.html?albumi…

        • 2003-12-20 35406, 2003

      • djce
        i.e. any old album page

        • 2003-12-20 35436, 2003

      • djce
        there's no organisation to why the artist links are split over two rows, or why the album links are over three.

        • 2003-12-20 35423, 2003

      • ruaok
        Ya. I was hoping to get some feedback on that from you.

        • 2003-12-20 35431, 2003

      • djce
        well, there y'are :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35435, 2003

      • ruaok
        I wrangled a bit with the layout...

        • 2003-12-20 35441, 2003

      • djce
        "something needs changing" :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • ruaok
        thanks! :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35400, 2003

      • djce
        "artist link" can just be a link within the artist name.

        • 2003-12-20 35400, 2003

      • ruaok needs to go to bed

        • 2003-12-20 35408, 2003

      • djce
        ok, I'll tinker some.

        • 2003-12-20 35427, 2003

      • ruaok
        well, I need to. Will I? Different matter. :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • ruaok
        I want to fix redirects in yabb and it should be mainly functional.

        • 2003-12-20 35407, 2003

      • djce
        when live, can we put it on forums.musicbrainz.org (for example) please?

        • 2003-12-20 35419, 2003

      • ruaok
        that's the plan...

        • 2003-12-20 35422, 2003

      • djce
        good

        • 2003-12-20 35445, 2003

      • ruaok
        Hmmm.

        • 2003-12-20 35406, 2003

      • ruaok
        It does use the DBDefs stuff, but we should be able to load that module for the vhost, right?

        • 2003-12-20 35431, 2003

      • djce
        yes, that should be fine

        • 2003-12-20 35437, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok.

        • 2003-12-20 35447, 2003

      • djce
        is it "traditional" perl, or mod_perl?

        • 2003-12-20 35450, 2003

      • ruaok
        Next step is to think how to add links to the forum intelligently.

        • 2003-12-20 35411, 2003

      • ruaok
        traditional, without much CGI use even.

        • 2003-12-20 35428, 2003

      • ruaok
        But it most portions have been moved over to mod_perl now.

        • 2003-12-20 35401, 2003

      • djce
        the question is, how much do you trust yabb? If you trust it absolutely, then it can be run in mod_perl with the main MB server.

        • 2003-12-20 35420, 2003

      • ruaok
        negatory.

        • 2003-12-20 35436, 2003

      • djce
        if you trust it barely at all, it would be wise to proxy it through to a separate apache under a different user id.

        • 2003-12-20 35457, 2003

      • djce
        or, there's other solutions in between

        • 2003-12-20 35409, 2003

      • ruaok
        let's quantify trust -- security or bugs. What worries you?

        • 2003-12-20 35411, 2003

      • djce
        errr, that it might be insecure? remote command exection, that kind of thing.

        • 2003-12-20 35425, 2003

      • ruaok
        security, ok.

        • 2003-12-20 35449, 2003

      • ruaok
        I'll have to see.

        • 2003-12-20 35459, 2003

      • ruaok
        And running it inside a vhost is not enough?

        • 2003-12-20 35421, 2003

      • djce
        within the "front" apache - maybe, but I can't remember what user that runs as.

        • 2003-12-20 35433, 2003

      • djce
        back end apache - no way.

        • 2003-12-20 35459, 2003

      • ruaok
        ok. We'll find a way.

        • 2003-12-20 35410, 2003

      • ruaok
        but now its my bedtime. For real. :-)

        • 2003-12-20 35414, 2003

      • djce
        it might involve adding the suexec option to the front end apache.

        • 2003-12-20 35419, 2003

      • djce
        ok. good night!

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      • ruaok
        g'nite!

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      • ruaok is away: zzzzzz

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      • danbri
        topicalla :) http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2003/12/20/2003-12-20.ht…

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      • djce is away: chores

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        z|bandito (~Snak [at cpe-66-8-245-42.hawaii.rr.com] has joined #musicbrainz

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      • z|bandito
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