do usually albums have 2-3 different tracks in different editions?
2016-01-15 01538, 2016
CatQuest
hawke1: don't confuse him
2016-01-15 01542, 2016
hawke1
gcilou: (I mean, I guess the difference is that you have a bunch of remixes of *two* tracks instead of one)
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CatQuest
but that's a single
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CatQuest
not an album
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gcilou
lol, why's it called that then? Sometime's they do CatQuest. *her ;)
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CatQuest
erh.....
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CatQuest
all I know is. the *artist* calls it a maxi-single
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CatQuest
in japan, they also have mini-album (or had anyway)
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gcilou
hm, it sounds weird. Like a single means like 1 so maxi-single means..more than 1.. like an album.
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CatQuest
if the artist or label wae defines it as such and such. why not just use it
2016-01-15 01543, 2016
hawke1
gcilou: historical reasons -- originally the single was the 7-inch 45rpm record, one song per side.
2016-01-15 01512, 2016
CatQuest
albums uh.. usually have from 5 to 20+ songs ll different?
2016-01-15 01522, 2016
hawke1
In the 70s there were a few where they fit one or two more songs on, those were called "maxi-singles"
2016-01-15 01524, 2016
CatQuest
and there are singles *from* albums
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hawke1
and then in the 80s with the CD they could fit even more stuff on.
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CatQuest
in the house and electronic etc scene, it's not unusual for a single to have 4-7 track, but they are all mixes and remixes of one track
2016-01-15 01525, 2016
hawke1
(and sometimes it meant "the 12cm version of the single")
2016-01-15 01525, 2016
CatQuest
sometimes some odd track is tacked on too
2016-01-15 01551, 2016
gcilou
Yeah, but I think the more categories to define things you have, the more confusing it is to actually do anything.. Like I'm working on a release editor tutorial which is past 10 min already because there's so much to explain
2016-01-15 01554, 2016
hawke1
CatQuest: Usually it's 2 songs so you have the traditional A side and B side -- they just give a bunch of remixes of the A side usually.
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CatQuest
hawke1: ja.. contemporary scheen I mean. since it's all digital :)
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CatQuest
gcilou: yea but see. that's the *pint* artists (those scoundrels) don't just put themselves in a big box of "this and that"
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CatQuest
they are ll over the place and define new things al lthe time
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gcilou
Yup. "Don't you dare define me"
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CatQuest
to be .. y'anno, "artistic"
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hawke1
Record companies sometimes do box them up, but they have serious ADHD about it.
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CatQuest
but "mini album" is a thing ™ and "maxi-single" is a thing ™
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hawke1
(I mean, they try hard to categorize things so they can say what they're selling)
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CatQuest
and if we can actually talk about these being *things* thne
2016-01-15 01510, 2016
hawke1
CatQuest: It's hard to talk about these being things when we can't even say what we're talking about ...
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gcilou
Yeah. If only it were simple enough as "song" and "group of songs"
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CatQuest
yes but.. when is *anything* a defined *thing* that defined? hello? lables?
2016-01-15 01504, 2016
CatQuest
"artist" ?
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CatQuest
"company" ?
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hawke1
You're not wrong. :-D
2016-01-15 01519, 2016
CatQuest
.. "soundtrack vs calssical"
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CatQuest
:D
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reosarevok
Hmm.
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hawke1
lol
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reosarevok tries to think of something well defined
Hey channel - I'm trying to setup the musicbrainz server on my local ubuntu server and am getting an error trying to run the compile resources script ReferenceError: Map is not defined - any ideas?
2016-01-15 01531, 2016
reosarevok
cultron: better ask in #metabrainz
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cultron
will do - thanks
2016-01-15 01557, 2016
reosarevok
loujine: going to send an autoeditor nomination unless you don't want me to for some reason :p
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reosarevok
(your early mistakes are basically gone and you've done ridiculous amounts of great work so there's no reason not to by now - should have happened months ago really :) )
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reosarevok
So confirm you're ok with it and I'll click the button
Though I'm not 100% sure that basing everything on playlist title is the right way to go.
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reosarevok
Well sure, but I guess it's as much as you can get with Spotify and the like
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Freso
"We asked a smart person"
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reosarevok
#science
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Freso
ruaok: ^ check that article, if you didn't see it yet.
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Leftmost is readin'.
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CatQuest
"For an even more exasperating example of this, look no further than metal, a genre whose internal squabbles make punk and Middle Eastern politics look reasonable by comparison. "
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CatQuest
jup, can confirm
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CatQuest
HM!
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CatQuest
A prescriptivist, otherwise known as a grammar nerd, will fume at the way the meaning of words change over time, but a descriptivist like Daniels instead suggest that words, and genres like punk, don’t mean what they mean, but rather are defined by how we actually use them.
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CatQuest
that's an important point also
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CatQuest
"Genre is one of the worst ways to make people angry in a conversation about music because everyone disagrees about what’s what. "
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CatQuest
" It’s always been this amorphous thing, whether something is a sub-genre of another thing. It’s kind of a meaningless discussion because there is no true definition and it’s always evolving."
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CatQuest
i think i love this guy
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CallerNo6
I blame the word "genre". It just /sounds/ like a top-level box that something either fits in or doesn't. We are stupid taxonomizers.
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CatQuest
fun fact: taxonomy itself is not set in stone and streight edget either. things are categorised differently in different systems
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CatQuest
(i leanred from bio :D)
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CallerNo6
but stupid will always be stupid! it's a constant!
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CallerNo6
So, rather than say "hey, all categories are fluid", I'd rather say "don't bring categories to a description fight"
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hawke1
CallerNo6: what would you have instead?
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CallerNo6
Instead of categories?
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hawke1
Yeah.
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hawke1
And how would you prevent descriptions from turning into categories?
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CallerNo6
haha, that's like the most important question in human history. can I think about it a mintue?
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hawke1
nah.
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CallerNo6
To start, I'd choose terms that didnt /sound/ like categories :-) (like "genre")
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hawke1
must have instant answers.
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hawke1
Anyway, I think trying to be descriptive doesn't work too well mostly.
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CallerNo6
That probably depends on what you're trying to accomplish, doesn't it?
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hawke1
Yes, I suppose so.
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hawke1
Most stuff I've seen when trying to be descriptive talks about mood and such...
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CallerNo6
If your goal is categorization, then four out of five dentists recommend catetories.
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hawke1
The only goal I can think of with genres is essentially music recommendation.
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hawke1
I like 'x', that artist's music is 'x', therefore I will like that artist's music.
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CallerNo6
oh, sidenote, I played this for my 9 yr old nephew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Khz2vL6Uc ... within five seconds he was like "that can't be wedding music, it's in a minor key!"
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hawke1
heh.
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CallerNo6
(then we made a lego catapult that fires cheerios. as one does.)
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yurb
reosarevok: thanks! Would be glad to hear what mistakes I should avoid in future.
The first change is that the album artist should be "Микола Віталійович Лисенко; Олександр Козаренко" .- or some variation of it
2016-01-15 01511, 2016
reosarevok
(maybe removing the Віталійович is better - depends on what the cover says and makes sense in the language and I don't speak Ukrainian :) )
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yurb
reosarevok: so you mean it should be "<composer>; <performer>", right?
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reosarevok
Yup :)
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yurb
okay
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reosarevok
(track artist should be just the composer, so that bit was fine - I've momentarily changed it to the pianist to change the recording artist but I'll change it back)
2016-01-15 01523, 2016
reosarevok
For the title, https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical says The Release title should not contain performers unless they are clearly part of the title as in "Bernstein Conducts Stravinsky." The Release title should not contain composers except for titled releases containing their names as above, or for multi-composer releases as outlined below.
2016-01-15 01555, 2016
reosarevok
I guess this album could be seen as called with that full name, or just "Фортепіанна музика" with the artists only in the artist field. I'm fine with either :)
2016-01-15 01531, 2016
reosarevok
Is it really Keep Case? (so, DVD-sized plastic case - just making sure)
