kepstin: It definitely seems distinct from stadium/arena.
2016-02-23 05457, 2016
hawke1
kepstin: at least if we're talking about a motor racing track
2016-02-23 05438, 2016
kepstin
hmm. I suppose it depends. A NASCAR track is pretty much just a big stadium :)
2016-02-23 05432, 2016
CallerNo6 goes back into crank mode: I'd rather pull venue types from wikidata, and fix them there if they're not sufficient.
2016-02-23 05408, 2016
hawke1
+1 CallerNo6
2016-02-23 05413, 2016
kepstin
how has wikidata been so far at keeping stuff that wikipedia decides isn't "notable"?
2016-02-23 05453, 2016
CallerNo6
hmm. good question.
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kepstin
we shouldn't be restricted from adding my buddies playing at a bar down the street just because the bar's not in wikipedia :)
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hibiscuskazeneko
hawke1, kepstin: I meant that Place type for both car racing tracks and hippodromes
2016-02-23 05415, 2016
hawke1
kepstin: yeah but the concept of "bar" is going to be in wikidata.
2016-02-23 05424, 2016
hawke1
kepstin: also, to my knowledge wikidata is much better with regard to notability.
2016-02-23 05448, 2016
hawke1
(Their biggest problem IMO is semantics and especially international equivalance of various things.
2016-02-23 05435, 2016
kepstin
Hmm. You're talking about linking place types to concepts in wiki data rather than pulling place types by seeing what the linked wiki data entry for the place says?
2016-02-23 05427, 2016
hawke1
kepstin: I think that's the idea, yeah.
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CallerNo6
I was talking about both, but the former would be good start.
2016-02-23 05454, 2016
xplt
kepstin: >>"how has wikidata been so far at keeping stuff that wikipedia decides isn't "notable"?" The same way as wikibooks and wikiquote keep the stuff, which isn't related to articles
2016-02-23 05428, 2016
xplt
[mostly, wikibooks: on wikibooks you may publish your own original content and theoretically, give a link to it from wikipedia]
( "The story is told through a series of journal entries written by the story's protagonist, Charlie Gordon, a man with a low IQ of 68 who works a menial job as a janitor in a Plastic Box Factory. " )
JesseW is looking for encouragement to get around to adding the song http://www.peteralsop.com/song/garbage (which involves adding the author, Bill Steele)
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dr_saunde
Doood
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dr_saunde
Lawnmower Man is inside your head now
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dr_saunde
CallerNo6: What a reference
2016-02-23 05409, 2016
CallerNo6
dr_saunde, "works about gardeners and landscapers" should totally be a wikipedia category!
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dr_saunde
Lawnmower Man is one of the top 3 movies to watch on acid
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hibiscuskazeneko
dr_saunde: Do you mean that old screensaver?
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dr_saunde
no i mean the classic 80s Pierce Brosnan movie with lots of trippy visuals
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darwin
drsaunde did you know the prodigy sample "I'm taking my work back underground..." is from that movie?
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dr_saunde
of course
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dr_saunde
you are talking one of my faves here that nobody else really likes...was surprised caller6 mentioned it
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dr_saunde
CallerNo6: Do you also by chance like Get a Life?
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hibiscuskazeneko had no idea that movie existed
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hibiscuskazeneko wonders if it's on Netflix
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reosarevok
Studio vs Venue is easy to make icons for IMO (mixing board vs stage) but not sure whether it's needed
2016-02-23 05453, 2016
hibiscuskazeneko
It might be
2016-02-23 05409, 2016
hibiscuskazeneko is thinking of what icons would be used if we ever subdivided Venue
Wikidata notability is still a bit too restrictive IIRC but a bit better than enwiki's
2016-02-23 05423, 2016
reosarevok
(We've had issues with it in the past though)
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hibiscuskazeneko
Notability? What's this about notability?
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reosarevok
They were talking about it a while ago and I'm catching up with logs :)
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hibiscuskazeneko
I remember that; the conversation happened around the same time I brought up these tickets to add more Place types
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hibiscuskazeneko
I wasn't sure if they were connected
2016-02-23 05431, 2016
rszasz
Is there a good place to dump extra info like liner notes that dont belong in the file tags necessarily, but would be nice to reference from the musicbrains site
2016-02-23 05400, 2016
reosarevok
Define liner notes
2016-02-23 05434, 2016
reosarevok
If you mean data like "x played the guitar here" those are relationships and we do definitely want them
2016-02-23 05406, 2016
reosarevok
If you mean the liner text itself, not really (but scans can go in the cover art archive)
hibiscuskazeneko: well, not much has happened in style land for quite a while because of how hard it has been to get any decent discussion going :)
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reosarevok
I'm hoping to change that with discourse
2016-02-23 05444, 2016
reosarevok
It'll also probably have, say, a classical music subforum, so it should be possible to have discussion on those style issues that are very specific on its own place where more people related to that specific field will see them
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reosarevok
But we'll see about that bit :)
2016-02-23 05424, 2016
reosarevok
Important thing is though that every MB user will automatically have an account there (because it's their MB account) and that makes it much more accessible that the style list
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rszasz
do I add the instrument played relationship to the release, or the individual recording?
2016-02-23 05427, 2016
rszasz
and should the recording relationship be auto populated by the fact the artist is listed as the artist on the release/track?
2016-02-23 05414, 2016
JesseW
rszasz: if the liner notes or other information specify instruments played on specific tracks, add them to the recording. Otherwise, add them to the release.
2016-02-23 05444, 2016
JesseW
(I'd say they should be added to the Release Group... but I don't think that's the prevailing style (or well supported by the code))
2016-02-23 05425, 2016
rszasz
and that means I just did it wrong... :(
2016-02-23 05459, 2016
rszasz
going back and adding to tracks (though this is a bit painfull for just a few tracks and if they switched instruments?)
eh, it's not *wrong* to add it to the release even if you have more specific info
2016-02-23 05437, 2016
JesseW
it's more of a problem (and not that much of one even then) if you guess that instruments just listed as being played on the release were played on every track
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JesseW finds the new style kinda excessively white...
2016-02-23 05413, 2016
JesseW
I miss the bold colors of the previous style...
2016-02-23 05428, 2016
JesseW
maybe they'll come back
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rszasz
I wish there were a way to mine the Emanem discography pages, so much great jazz info
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JesseW
rszasz: it could probably be scraped, if someone wanted to take the time to do so
