I wouldn't add any disambiguation except when there's a very similarly named instrument, but I dunno if there is, in these cases
2016-08-02 21518, 2016
CatQuest
I mean, I think disambiguation comments are what should be shown in, yea that case
2016-08-02 21536, 2016
CatQuest
I found that they were all very confusable for eachother imho
2016-08-02 21512, 2016
CatQuest
but honestly isn't this a search server display issue? I mean I get why description shows (it's the only place it shows i think )
2016-08-02 21528, 2016
CatQuest
but right now description is doing what disambiguation shoudl be doing
2016-08-02 21516, 2016
Freso
CatQuest: I don't necessarily want you to do anything about it. I just wanted to alert you to the topic's presence. If you want to ignore it and pretend it never existed, that's fine by me.
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reosarevok
There is a ticket to just drop the description because it mostly duplicates Wikipedia text without a credit
2016-08-02 21521, 2016
CatQuest
i tryi to make the disambiguiations as short but descriptive as possible
2016-08-02 21525, 2016
reosarevok
(by chirlu IIRC)
2016-08-02 21539, 2016
reosarevok
Which might also be a reasonable solution :p
2016-08-02 21543, 2016
CatQuest
yes
2016-08-02 21513, 2016
CatQuest
it's an old hang of, fro mbefore instruments were enteties, you nkow
2016-08-02 21529, 2016
CatQuest
now we have the abiltiy to actually link instruments to wiki(data)
2016-08-02 21515, 2016
CatQuest
ftr: I explicitly reword descriptions and disambiguations so as to not be c&p wikipedia withotuh credit
2016-08-02 21536, 2016
CatQuest
but yea, just having the wikipedia blurb show up on the page as it does now probably does what it needs to without description?
2016-08-02 21536, 2016
CatQuest
the only reason to have a lenghty description I see is if there is no (english) wikipedia or no wikipedia at all or limited information that I had to dig for which would be useful. (but then there's annotations, honestly)
2016-08-02 21548, 2016
CatQuest
can instruments have annotations?
2016-08-02 21509, 2016
CatQuest
if so: more "description" content to those i say
2016-08-02 21513, 2016
CatQuest
move not more
2016-08-02 21518, 2016
reosarevok
I think they can, yeah
2016-08-02 21522, 2016
reosarevok
If not they should, but
2016-08-02 21524, 2016
CatQuest
yes
2016-08-02 21546, 2016
CatQuest
as before, the "description" was literally because instruments where not entities
2016-08-02 21522, 2016
CatQuest
well if one of you wanna basically say that this to that guy. but honestly I'm kinda preoccupied right now and freso said I could ignore(!) it so...
2016-08-02 21530, 2016
CatQuest feels a bit bad abotu that thoguh :/
2016-08-02 21517, 2016
Freso
CatQuest: You can also not ignore it but just not reply to it right now. :)
reosarevok: what's the link to that comm topic about guitar vs guitars
2016-08-02 21523, 2016
reosarevok
Isn't that just a ticket?
2016-08-02 21538, 2016
reosarevok
I seem to remember it's an INST ticket, not a topic
2016-08-02 21522, 2016
CatQuest
oh
2016-08-02 21526, 2016
CatQuest
no wonder i cant find it
2016-08-02 21534, 2016
CatQuest
uh, you have alink for it anyway? :B
2016-08-02 21547, 2016
CatQuest
nvm i found it
2016-08-02 21528, 2016
CatQuest
btw since I have you here, reosarevok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pianet mentions explicitly that the Pianet "consisted of two distinctly different mechanism groups with characteristically different sound."
2016-08-02 21528, 2016
CatQuest
which to me sounds like (ugh) different instruments (sorta)
2016-08-02 21545, 2016
CatQuest
sooo.. what do? make a genric one and have the two others nestled under?
2016-08-02 21511, 2016
reosarevok
I'd add just one instrument for now
2016-08-02 21515, 2016
CatQuest
hmmm
2016-08-02 21526, 2016
reosarevok
Because I doubt we're actually going to get enough info on liners etc to know which one it is anyway
2016-08-02 21528, 2016
CatQuest
I don't mind adding more thoguh
2016-08-02 21509, 2016
reosarevok
Yeah, but if we have 3 for a quite uncommon instrument, I think it'd kinda confuse people
2016-08-02 21522, 2016
CatQuest
I'll add aliases with the data ranges and stuff then :D
2016-08-02 21533, 2016
CatQuest
(pity aliases can't have disambiguiation comments :P)
2016-08-02 21537, 2016
CatQuest
or wait they can?
2016-08-02 21516, 2016
CatQuest
inB4 aliases as "enteties"
2016-08-02 21527, 2016
CatQuest
(I wouldn't mind that)
2016-08-02 21520, 2016
CatQuest
would sole so many issues with artists and names and instruments and things like historical places.. hmm
2016-08-02 21524, 2016
CatQuest
solve*
2016-08-02 21539, 2016
CatQuest
maybe in 2026
2016-08-02 21555, 2016
CatQuest
by then..hahaha
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CatQuest
freso: possibly irritating fact about me: i can't not act when I am faced with an "issue" or "problem /complaint" that is related to my "work" or what I "do"
2016-08-02 21543, 2016
CatQuest
especially if it's some I've very recently done (explicitly if done as a (percived) improvement to something that was already considered a undone/problematic thing needing fixing (eg lots of open inst requests.))
reosarevok: "solo" Not sure what you mean about solo piano piece -- you mean if it's the only instrument on there there's not much need for it to specify soloist vs. plain instrumentalist? probably correct.
2016-08-02 21543, 2016
reosarevok
I mean that people keep setting the attribute for solo piano/violin/whatever pieces, because well, they are solo, right? But that's not what was intended at all IIRC
2016-08-02 21504, 2016
reosarevok
(it's supposed to indicate a solo part, not the only part)
2016-08-02 21507, 2016
CatQuest
reosarevok: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cembalet has no ticket, but I feel it's relevant to the pianet (which has one) as well as that the other instruments invented by Ernst Zacharias has been or does have tickets(and I'madding thme now)
2016-08-02 21536, 2016
reosarevok
Just add a ticket and add it if you feel it's relevant enough I assume :)
2016-08-02 21501, 2016
CatQuest
ohi should add a ticket myself? is that must?
2016-08-02 21536, 2016
CatQuest
loi also he made a "guitaret"
2016-08-02 21544, 2016
CatQuest
¬_¬ that guy
2016-08-02 21506, 2016
reosarevok
Well, it's not a must, but you were talking yourself about making a ticket for something at some point (was it tape?) so it would be documented
2016-08-02 21518, 2016
reosarevok
So I guess it'd make sense in that way :)
2016-08-02 21526, 2016
reosarevok
Dunno
2016-08-02 21536, 2016
CatQuest
oh that was for things like I am not usre and not doing it right away and for help with discussion
2016-08-02 21539, 2016
reosarevok
It's not a huge deal either way
2016-08-02 21544, 2016
CatQuest
this woudl jsut be doen with the others. ok
2016-08-02 21527, 2016
CatQuest
(basically i'd end up adding it thne creating a ticket jsut to close it with "added it" seems kidna.. pointless :P)
2016-08-02 21510, 2016
reosarevok
Yeah it'd only be useful if you're using closed tickets to autogenerate a list of new stuff for Freso to post or something
2016-08-02 21524, 2016
reosarevok
Or well not only but mostly :)
2016-08-02 21538, 2016
CatQuest
nah, he wants me to post him a sepsic lsit in mail so nah (tho he coudl ahve doe nthat too ¬¬)
2016-08-02 21551, 2016
CatQuest
ugh why is words wrong so much rightnow
2016-08-02 21516, 2016
hawke1
reosarevok: I don't see much harm in saying that a single-instrument performance have a soloist, but you're correct that's not really how it was intended.
2016-08-02 21554, 2016
Freso
CatQuest: I'd be happy to be able to use auto-generated lists on Jira too.
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reosarevok
Meh
2016-08-02 21514, 2016
reosarevok
Wikisource autoselects to lyrics so can't be used for biographies :/
so, if a person USUALLY performs as one name, would you want to link the persons real name, or the name he usually performs at if he does a few tracks as a different name or as a group?
2016-08-02 21537, 2016
Rotab
that sentence mightve been more complicated than it needed to, i hope you understand what i mean.. :D
Rotab: Use the name the person most often/officially use. E.g., I'd be "Freso" even if that's not my legal name. If they use several different names for different projects/genres/type-of-things, then create an artist for each and a "real name" artist to link them together.
2016-08-02 21556, 2016
Rotab
alright, real name it is
2016-08-02 21510, 2016
reosarevok
hibiscuskazeneko: looks fine
2016-08-02 21552, 2016
hibiscuskazeneko
Thought so (I wasn't sure about track 5 since I didn't see anything about parenthesized text in the Spanish style guide)
2016-08-02 21525, 2016
Rotab
Freso: so if you released a track as "Bator" in the samestyle as "Freso", it would be credited to "Freso", with no artist page for "Bator"?
2016-08-02 21518, 2016
reosarevok
It would probably be credited to Freso credited as Bator
2016-08-02 21541, 2016
Rotab
credited to Freso credited as Bator?
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hawke1
Yes -- the artist 'freso' with a credit as 'Bator'
ugh, can we not mix religion and musicbrainz? (regarding bible-as-artist thread)
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CallerNo6
hawke1, anecdote #1: when I was at the UofU in the 80s, computers in the library were still a newish thing. Being a jerk, I did an author search for "God" and it returned "no titles found". If that's what you get at a university founded by a Mormon prophet, that should be good enough right?
