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      • CatQuest
        reosarevk, ping?
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      • CatQuest
        what
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      • CatQuest
        reosarevok
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      • CatQuest
        let thet be a testament to that i type out his name instead of reotabbing
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      • reosarevok
        haha
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      • reosarevok
        pong, CatQuest
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      • CatQuest
        anyway, any thoughts on http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/INST-149 especially my comment there
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      • CatQuest
        I think it would only have use for those cases of percy grainger and little else, and be like those "various artists" that are not various artists, for marimba nstead
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      • CatQuest
        it'd need regular cleaning up. probably
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      • CatQuest
        reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        Let me see
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      • yvanz
        How to link two works were one is using a version of the other as intro? Does it require an additional Work entity?
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      • CallerNo6
        yvanz, there really isn't a good relationship for that currently. the work-work relationships could really use some appropriation/re-use rels
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      • CatQuest
        what resolution do I use for "instrument already exists in the database" ?
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      • yvanz
        CatQuest: Invalid.
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      • CatQuest
        \o/ thank you
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      • reosarevok
        CatQuest: Hmm. That *is* tricky
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      • reosarevok
        In theory, we should add it - if we ever finally add instrumentation for works, those Grainger works at least will require it
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      • CatQuest
        yes
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      • reosarevok
        But at the same time, it does sound rather confusing
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      • CatQuest
        yes
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      • CatQuest
        perhaps maybe hold of until then?
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      • yvanz
        CallerNo6: What about a subtype of 'based on' relationship?
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      • CallerNo6
        I understand "based on" to mean something else. Like, [work A] was a starting point or inspiration for [work B]
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      • Freso
        CatQuest: If the instrument that's already in the system was added due to another INST ticket, then use "duplicate" (and link to the other INST ticket). If it was added before we started using INST, what yvanz said. :)
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      • CallerNo6
        Maybe that's true for the work you're talking about?
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      • CallerNo6
        Either way, some day I'd like to work on a better set of rels for e.g. quoting, interpolating, quod libetting, whatever.
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      • CatQuest
        Freso: I can't find a duplicate of that one. also i think it was before we used inst, becasue i think i can remember adding this particular one in he old instrumenttree
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      • yvanz
        CallerNo6: https://musicbrainz.org/work/01833fa8-9fb9-41a5-8… is mistakenly using 'part of' rel', see also https://musicbrainz.org/edit/41495437 for follow-up.
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      • CallerNo6
        yvanz, yeah, that's wrong unless [work A] is *always* part of [work B] (as you've already figured out, but I like to hear myself type)
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      • CatQuest
        YTMND?
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      • CatQuest
        (typing)
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      • CallerNo6 is also working on a list of "editing principles". number one on the list is:
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      • CallerNo6
        "Blank is better than incorrect".
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      • CatQuest
        :)
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      • yvanz
        (Sorry, I just tried to understand the above acronym and failed to link it to the current topic.)
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      • CallerNo6 didn't get it either, sorry catblup
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      • CatQuest
        :o
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      • CatQuest
        you guys..
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      • CatQuest
        am I the only one who used the internet in early 00's?
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      • CallerNo6
        yes
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      • CatQuest
        oh
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      • CatQuest
        ok
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      • CatQuest
        thne you cna google it :P
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      • CatQuest thinks CallerNo6 would like the aestetic of the term thoguh..
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      • CatQuest
        (there is also the YTMND soundtrack, wich is in mb)
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      • CallerNo6
        I think somebody poured sugar in my synapse tank.
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      • yvanz
        CallerNo6: I think I sorted it out: 'medley' will do instead of 'parts'. :)
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      • CallerNo6
        yvanz, does [work B] exist without the intro?
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      • CallerNo6
        er, I mean, is there a version of the later work that doesn't include the intro?
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      • yvanz
        CallerNo6: not to my knowledge.
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      • CallerNo6
        hmm, then "medley" seems like an ugly workaround.
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      • yvanz
        Moreover, the later work B is named after work A :)
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      • CallerNo6 looks more closely
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      • yvanz
        But the main part of work B is a version of work C *<8O)
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      • CallerNo6 looks at the annotation. "contains melodies from" two other works. So that /could/ be "based on". I'm not familiar with these works.
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      • yvanz
        BTW, we are missing a type for this work which is a "mess".
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      • chirlu
        A mess?
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      • yvanz
        just kidding
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      • chirlu
        Ah.
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      • yvanz 's synapse tank is boiling too.
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      • CatQuest
        we have "mass"
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      • CatQuest
        "masse mess"
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      • CallerNo6
        having two of the works labeled "catch all" is confusing.
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      • yvanz
        CallerNo6: See the above URL for the edit that changes the disambiguation field.
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      • CallerNo6
        yvanz, yeah, I saw that but I don't understand it :-?
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      • CallerNo6
        (is that a real emoji thingy or did I just make it up?)
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      • CallerNo6
        oh, nevermind, I see, there's an open edit for the disambig
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      • Freso
        CatCat: I used the net back then (my first website was launched january 1999), and I don't know what it means. :/
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      • johtso
        is there a working discogs userscript at the moment? the murdos one is sending http discogs urls instead of https, so the api requests are 404ing
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      • CallerNo6
        if anybody's interested, https://twitter.com/realscientists is doing a fairly deep dive (for twitter) into Music Psychology. https://storify.com/SusanMaury/real-scientists-ex…
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      • Rotab
        johtso: i believe im using murdos, and it is using https
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      • johtso
        strange..
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      • Rotab
        var discogsWsUrl = 'https://api.discogs.com/releases/' + current_page_info.id;
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      • Rotab
        are you sure youre not using some old version?
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      • Rotab
        seems like the script was fixed in february
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      • chirlu
        Rotab: That’s a query to Discogs’s API, though, not to MB’s.
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      • Rotab
        which was the issue
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      • Rotab
        :P
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      • chirlu
        No, it wasn’t.
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      • Rotab
        yes
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      • chirlu
        johtso: Seems you will need to revert your own then-fix, https://github.com/murdos/musicbrainz-userscripts…
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      • johtso
        chirlu: hah, wow! forgot about that!
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      • Rotab
        chirlu: nevermind, i see what you mean now. :) #metabrainz made the original question clearer
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      • loujine
        MajorLurker, reosarevok: just saw your discussion from yesterday about "Fetching data"
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      • loujine
        if indeed you're talking about one of my scripts, I have the same problem
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      • loujine
        you can change the 'timeout' variable in the mbz-loujine-common.js file of the script (1000 -> 5000)
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      • loujine
        much slower but better chance to succeed
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      • loujine
        BTW I also updated the 'guess related work' script that will now display the work relationships correctly (composer and so on)
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      • loujine
        for those who use it (reo at least I believe)
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