18:17 PM
Rasi
at least the internal search doest seem to find the alias
2017-01-13 01332, 2017
18:18 PM
Rasi
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18:18 PM
SothoTalKer
you can use the edit button besides the artist to enter an alias
2017-01-13 01334, 2017
18:18 PM
Rasi
this is the alias
2017-01-13 01305, 2017
18:19 PM
Rasi
aaah
2017-01-13 01307, 2017
18:19 PM
Rasi
artist as credited
2017-01-13 01310, 2017
18:19 PM
Rasi
thanks
2017-01-13 01317, 2017
18:19 PM
SothoTalKer
:-)
2017-01-13 01318, 2017
18:19 PM
SothoTalKer
yw
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18:20 PM
Freso
!m SothoTalKer
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18:20 PM
BrainzBot
You're doing good work, SothoTalKer!
2017-01-13 01323, 2017
18:20 PM
Rasi
will this automatically add an alias to the group SothoTalKer?
2017-01-13 01314, 2017
18:21 PM
Freso
Rasi: No.
2017-01-13 01328, 2017
18:21 PM
Freso
Rasi: But it will make the artist searchable by that name.
2017-01-13 01336, 2017
18:21 PM
Rasi
ok
2017-01-13 01342, 2017
18:21 PM
Rasi
so what exactly is the alias stuff good for then
2017-01-13 01344, 2017
18:21 PM
Rasi
:)
2017-01-13 01311, 2017
18:22 PM
Rasi
just some kind of mini wiki?
2017-01-13 01310, 2017
18:24 PM
Freso
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18:25 PM
Rasi
ah and one adds the same alias twice, if it was used in different periods of time
2017-01-13 01340, 2017
18:25 PM
Rasi
ok
2017-01-13 01320, 2017
18:26 PM
Freso
Yep. Or in different locales.
2017-01-13 01356, 2017
18:26 PM
Freso
(There was a lawsuit about another artist in the UK already using the name "Diddy", so he's not allowed to use that name in the UK, thus going back to "P. Diddy" only in that region.)
2017-01-13 01310, 2017
18:27 PM
Freso
(All explained in the related edit notes, of course. ;))
2017-01-13 01328, 2017
18:27 PM
Freso was the one doing some of those alias date edits
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18:28 PM
Freso
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18:36 PM
Lotheric
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18:36 PM
Lotheric
this one was named Bush X in Canada
2017-01-13 01332, 2017
18:36 PM
Lotheric
lawsuit also :)
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SothoTalKer
for some releases the data is no where to be found on the web :<
2017-01-13 01314, 2017
19:38 PM
Freso
Yep.
2017-01-13 01329, 2017
19:38 PM
Freso
2017-01-13 01334, 2017
19:38 PM
SothoTalKer
especially if discogs does not have that release :)
2017-01-13 01334, 2017
19:38 PM
Lotheric
libraries often have info on older releases in their databases
2017-01-13 01335, 2017
19:38 PM
Freso
Well, except for MB of course. ❤️
2017-01-13 01353, 2017
19:38 PM
Freso
Discogs does not have that one.
2017-01-13 01355, 2017
19:38 PM
Lotheric
ebay also
2017-01-13 01304, 2017
19:39 PM
Freso
eBay might though. But I doubt it. :p
2017-01-13 01311, 2017
19:39 PM
Lotheric
when you can't find something on discogs or online stores
2017-01-13 01312, 2017
19:39 PM
Lotheric
;)
2017-01-13 01320, 2017
19:39 PM
Freso
Then again… eBay peeps are crazy peeps.
2017-01-13 01319, 2017
19:40 PM
SothoTalKer
are they?
2017-01-13 01341, 2017
19:43 PM
Freso
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19:44 PM
Lotheric
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19:44 PM
Lotheric
is disambiguation still needed on areas ?
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CatQuest has seen some crazy shit on ebay
2017-01-13 01319, 2017
20:23 PM
CatQuest
<3
2017-01-13 01324, 2017
20:23 PM
CatQuest
bless em
2017-01-13 01314, 2017
20:24 PM
SothoTalKer
babies?
2017-01-13 01335, 2017
20:24 PM
CatQuest
wat
2017-01-13 01343, 2017
20:24 PM
SothoTalKer
crazy stuff on ebay
2017-01-13 01307, 2017
20:25 PM
CatQuest
..I was thinking more like sexy lingerine and silly engrish descriptions
2017-01-13 01328, 2017
20:25 PM
SothoTalKer
orly
2017-01-13 01357, 2017
20:25 PM
SothoTalKer
most german sellers do not put good descriptions on their items
2017-01-13 01333, 2017
20:26 PM
SothoTalKer
they are just like 'oh i sell this album 'name'. good condition. end.
2017-01-13 01339, 2017
20:26 PM
SothoTalKer
'
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20:28 PM
CatQuest
yes
2017-01-13 01311, 2017
20:29 PM
SothoTalKer
i just found someone selling 1500 vinyls for 11700 euros :x
2017-01-13 01312, 2017
20:29 PM
CatQuest
I got the Sir Lord Baltimore vinyl. sold by a guy I don't think knew what it was. but i'm still unsure if it was genuine edition of early or a italian replica thing. its odd
2017-01-13 01331, 2017
20:29 PM
CatQuest
awsum
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20:31 PM
SothoTalKer
100 vinyls for 60 euro. sounds fair :)
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20:33 PM
Freso
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20:34 PM
Freso
CallerNo6: In case you have any additional definitions up your sleeve. :D
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21:12 PM
Freso
CallerNo6 or reosarevok (or someone else), what's the (style?) doc about specificity? E.g., that it's better to list a lyricist+composer rather than writer, or that it's better to use "soprano saxophone" than "saxophone".
2017-01-13 01331, 2017
21:13 PM
Freso would think it would be specified (no pun intended) at https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle but it isn't
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21:14 PM
Freso
Doesn't seem to be on any of the other "overview" pages either.
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CallerNo6
Oh. That's a good general principle. There might be specific cases mentioned in the docs, but I don't remember it ever being expressed generally.
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21:28 PM
SothoTalKer
can i have the musicbrainz searchbox default to something other than 'artist'?
2017-01-13 01341, 2017
21:29 PM
CallerNo6
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21:31 PM
Freso
SothoTalKer: Not via MB settings, no. But you could set it via a userscript. I at one point had a userscript that defaulted the search to use the advanced search... it might be easy to adapt that, but I've completely forgotten who made that one.
2017-01-13 01346, 2017
21:31 PM
SothoTalKer
i should look for it
2017-01-13 01353, 2017
21:31 PM
Freso
CallerNo6: Well, it does say «If an artist is most commonly associated with an area smaller than a country», so…
2017-01-13 01307, 2017
21:32 PM
CallerNo6
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21:32 PM
Freso
CallerNo6: 🙌
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21:32 PM
Freso rushes to edit his forum post
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21:32 PM
CallerNo6
For area, it's the one place (that I can think of) where the docs say "prefer the less specific relationship unless <foo>"
2017-01-13 01330, 2017
21:33 PM
CallerNo6
At least, that's how I read it.
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21:33 PM
Freso
Well, it is for "the area the artist is associated with", which is more commonly a country than a specific city.
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21:34 PM
CallerNo6
I think I've already ranted about that, but t depends who you ask.
2017-01-13 01325, 2017
21:34 PM
Freso
Yep. Which is why it makes sense to go for the broader of the options. ;)
2017-01-13 01342, 2017
21:34 PM
CallerNo6
grumble grumble
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21:35 PM
Freso
E.g., some people may be die-hard about The Beatles being a Liverpool band, but no one will flinch an eye if you say they're from the UK.
2017-01-13 01325, 2017
21:35 PM
Freso
Flinch an eye? Ehm...
2017-01-13 01340, 2017
21:35 PM
CallerNo6
Nobody will poke out your eye if you say that. I hope.
2017-01-13 01302, 2017
21:36 PM
Freso isn't sure what the idiom he was trying to use actually goes...
2017-01-13 01307, 2017
21:37 PM
CallerNo6
Probably "bat an eye"?
2017-01-13 01346, 2017
21:37 PM
CallerNo6
Or "blink".
2017-01-13 01337, 2017
21:38 PM
CallerNo6
(whenever I say something dumb, nikki replies "nikki blinks")
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21:39 PM
Freso
Probably "bat an eye" or just "flinch" on its own maybe.
2017-01-13 01340, 2017
21:40 PM
CallerNo6
I think "flinch" connotes pain or fear or pain. Could be wrong.
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21:41 PM
Freso
"pain or fear or pain". I like the way you think.
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21:44 PM
CallerNo6
argh.
2017-01-13 01324, 2017
21:45 PM
CallerNo6
the vestigial remnants of a bad joke that I thought I'd backspaced over.
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SothoTalKer
hm, about barcodes. we use the format like it id displayed on the backcover, right?
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21:52 PM
SothoTalKer
*is
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21:53 PM
SothoTalKer
i mean, any UPC can be converted to a valid EAN by adding a leading 0
2017-01-13 01322, 2017
21:54 PM
SothoTalKer
UPC-A, 12 digits
2017-01-13 01326, 2017
21:56 PM
SothoTalKer
*stare*
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21:56 PM
Lotheric
when the barcode on a release is missing the last digit, I complete it to make it machine readable
2017-01-13 01355, 2017
21:56 PM
SothoTalKer
it should never miss the check digit :x
2017-01-13 01312, 2017
21:57 PM
Lotheric
I agree but some covers (older ones) do not show it
2017-01-13 01340, 2017
21:58 PM
SothoTalKer
ah, the number itself is not printed, but the bars are there?
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21:59 PM
SothoTalKer
would make sense ^^
2017-01-13 01321, 2017
22:00 PM
Freso
SothoTalKer: The consensus, IIRC, is to write it as written on the cover.
2017-01-13 01332, 2017
22:00 PM
Freso
Even if that makes it machine-non-readable. :/
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22:00 PM
MajorLurker
Lotheric, CSG expert now :)
2017-01-13 01308, 2017
22:01 PM
Lotheric
haha
2017-01-13 01327, 2017
22:01 PM
Lotheric
better at it certainly, but no expert :)
2017-01-13 01336, 2017
22:01 PM
SothoTalKer
Freso: i could just use a barcode-scanner app to get the correct barcode from the release :D
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22:01 PM
Lotheric
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22:02 PM
Freso
If the digits aren't listed, then yes.
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22:02 PM
Lotheric is practicing
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22:05 PM
MajorLurker
Lotheric, I have been doing it for a few years and I am STILL practicing ;)
2017-01-13 01340, 2017
22:06 PM
Lotheric
you listen to a lot of classical music ?
2017-01-13 01325, 2017
22:07 PM
MajorLurker
I listen to music of all sorts, but I like editing classical stuff.
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22:07 PM
CatQuest
a bit
2017-01-13 01327, 2017
22:07 PM
Lotheric likes to edit hip hop and artists from his part of the world: Quebec
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22:07 PM
MajorLurker
Your new entry looks good, will look better when you add the relationships and the works :)
2017-01-13 01314, 2017
22:08 PM
Lotheric
I'm still working on it
2017-01-13 01341, 2017
22:08 PM
MajorLurker
I have 10000 CD´s in my collection but I doubt I have any Canadian hip-hop
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22:09 PM
MajorLurker
^^ thought you might be ...
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22:09 PM
Lotheric
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22:09 PM
SothoTalKer
rip em all apart and scan the covers, backcovers, media and booklets <3
2017-01-13 01347, 2017
22:09 PM
Lotheric
^^ canadian hip hop with australian hip hop
2017-01-13 01329, 2017
22:10 PM
MajorLurker
might have some Australian hip-hop ..... would not be much of it though..... more a seventies man myself
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22:11 PM
Lotheric
10k CDs, you are a brute :)
2017-01-13 01310, 2017
22:12 PM
MajorLurker
My wife has other words for me, brute would be tame ;)
2017-01-13 01332, 2017
22:12 PM
MajorLurker
Keeps me out of the pub
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SothoTalKer
"collector"
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22:22 PM
MajorLurker
A little bit ¨mad¨, perhaps.
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22:27 PM
Lotheric
MadLurker
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22:27 PM
Lotheric
:)
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22:27 PM
SothoTalKer
there are worse things to collect :-)
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22:27 PM
Lotheric
at least you can listen to music
2017-01-13 01358, 2017
22:27 PM
Lotheric
people who collect useless stuff are madder
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22:28 PM
MajorLurker
I mainly buy from 2nd hand shops these days.... cannot remember the last time I bought a new release
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22:29 PM
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