If they are cousins, then you add both of the parents, relate the two parents together (sibling) and relate the parents to their children (parent/child).
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Freso
"involved with" means that they were dating/romantically involved.
Rince: the idea is that the voice is technically an instrument anyway, and that we will not create a new entity just for vocals
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reosarevok
Because new entities are a huge, huge amount of work
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ruaok
bitmap: over to #metabrainz
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CatQuest
also: to be able to *dinally* finally! add other "voices"
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reosarevok
And we want basically the same stuff for both
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reosarevok
(say, to be able to link "X mainly plays violin" or "X mainly 'plays' soprano vocals" is equivalent, and so is "this work is for violin and piano" vs. "this work is for choir vocals")
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CatQuest
as well as "this work is for ppiano and voice"
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reosarevok
Indeed
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CatQuest
was anything decided re voices in instrument tree?
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reosarevok
That we should have that as one of the topics to look carefully into during the UX efforts
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reosarevok
So it's probably not happening super soon, but it will happen :)
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Rince
reosarevok: I thought that this would be the reason behind the decision. For a user, this is.. difficult to understand since most of the musical groups actively decided to _not_ using any instruments except their voice
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Rince
reosarevok: I agree, technically and from a database point of view, it makes a lot of sense
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Rince
that's why I do not want to have a vote in that, just comment it once and nothing more ;)
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CatQuest
Rince: true, but yo ualso realise that for quite a lot of *other* musical groups/genres the voice is *explicitly* a type of "instrument"
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dragonzeron
i got a question how long does it take for a request on metabrainz jira to be accepted or declined
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Freso
dragonzeron: Varies a very, very much.
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dragonzeron
if its a addition to the whitelist
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Freso
Varies very, very much.
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CatQuest
there is very very much to be done and only few people to do it, so like Freso says, vaires very, very much
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CatQuest
Freso: did you see my pm(s)
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CatQuest
anyway: I assume we're doing GCI this year too
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Freso
CatQuest: Oh, right, yeah. Hold on.
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CatQuest
and I am onboard with that. even if it means 30+ things a week
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CatQuest
no worries :)
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Rince
CatQuest: yes, that's why I won't argue against it ;)
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Freso
Rince:
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Freso
Eh.
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Rince
hm?
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Freso
Rince: As we said at the summit (I assume that's why you brought it up?), the main thing that's held it back so far is that we won't to make sure the user experience doesn't deterioate from the merge/change.
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Rince
Freso: I just brought it up because you mentioned it here ;)
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Freso
Rince: Oh, right, I was announcing what was going on at the summit if people were waiting for a specific topic to tune in.
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Rince
and - for me personally everything is right as long as the developer of musicbrainz are deciding it. We (as user and consumer) are using it, but we are not developing. And to develop this tool needs a lot of energy and power - that is why I either (if I want to change something) try to bring myself into the development process or help somewhere around it before asking for specific changes
