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Freso: ftr right now there are a multitude of "kitchen percussion" suggestions. literally pan pot and pan and pot seperate

My initial thought was that the N-string was indented a level too far.

I think bottle might qualify. but anything can be an instrument, literally anything can be made to create sound.. it's difficult to blanace reality with practicality

Absolutely.

I didn't want to start a discussion about bottles.

I think we should re-add (and maybe rewrite?) "Remember: These are all guidelines and are not set in stone. Of course, if you can make a good argument for why something *Should* be an instrument after all, feel free to create a ticket! "

It was just the "that it starts to be produced" clause that I felt uneasy about.

Freso: it's cool (just maybe point you in the direction of the INST ticet for it ;) (I know, i'm soo subtile))

yep, I agree. maybe produced is a wrong word..

But… you didn't point me at any INST ticket though.

there is a bit in the N-string that also touches on this

Freso: in a secons 👍

the bit in n-string is basically "or modfied in a particular way"

(Either way, I don't particularly have anything to add for neither bottles nor kitchen utility percussion. Again, it was an example to help exemplify a possible problematic wording.)

so basiclaly if there is a "this is how oy uplay a bottle, this is the sort of bottle you use for blowing" isntructions. a reproducible "thing that makes it ansintrument i think

yes i understand! i am using bottle too as an example!

:D

since it's one of the things i had in mind when i wrote this. becasue it litterally is right there "is it or isnt it"

so it's a good example. to use as a edge case. (not one ot be solved right now )

"Non-instruments" again feels a bit like a "catch-all for everything else".

yes

(btw https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/INST-112 if you were interested. else ignore)

INST-112: Glass Bottle

Changed the introduction text

reosarevok: I like the new formatting, btw.

see he doesnt comment much but he works hard

!m reosarevok

You're doing good work, reosarevok!

Very nice that it's possible to link to specific sections too.

Changed n-string to be its own section

Just under modified, so "as above" still works

that makes sense

Switched non-instruments

does the "to be added" section ned ratioales?

"if the musical use of a generic household item becomes popular enough that it starts to be produced (usually with slight modifications) specifically as a musical instrument, or it becomes something enough people see as an actual instrument, it can qualify for inclusion (such as musical saw and musical spoons)" ?

i liek that

it avoids the troublesome "produced"

Ok

as an only exception

possibly also "see modified instruments blow" ?

below*

I don't know.

abotu what?

I don't think you need to reference "downwards" like that.

yea i mena it follows.. that's true

About the last question asked before my message? :)

yes i understood

Some more possible formatting: https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:CatCat/INSTwa... - the do's and don't's. Maybe `'''bold'''` the first part/sentence of the lists, to highlight/make stand out the important part of each?

I don't think I have anything else to add for now. :)

Nice job!

!m CatQuest (and reosarevok)

You're doing good work, CatQuest (and reosarevok)!

yes the do's and don't look very un standouting now after the other sections are formatted

thnka you freso! thank you for looking into this also!

I'm bolding, let's see

this true for the "other things yo ucna do to help" also

should the QA section be there or last?

Maybe add QA after "how to", before "other things"

should "certain people" in the header link to "privileged users" iir we had a page like that

that makes sense right

If so, I'd change "certain people" to "relationship editors".

👍 I like that a lot better

(Even if only a single rel. editor is actually dealing with it, it still makes it much more tangible than just "some unknown, random people". :))

yep

and some time i the future i will have an assistant . right. whne i get old i need ot teach my craft to the new generation that will take over after i'm dust 😹

Too much bold?

😹

Freso: I avoided adding a link to privileged because half of those people aren't active and or don't deal with this, and we wouldn't want people to start messaging them about it

oh damn. thats.. a point

is there a "instrument head" link somewhere? idk

I'd maybe do `'''Only add one instrument per ticket''', and one ticket per instrument.` instead for that one line, rest of do's seem fine to me.

Don't's seem fine too.

maybe just link to https://tickets.metabrainz.org/projects/INST/su... instead of priv users

Freso: changed

i kidna see the bold though. maybe only bolding the "one"

or "one ticket"

You could `''emphasise''` the "one" instead of `'''bolding'''` it maybe?

i did osme stuff to the "oher things " section. i feel this could be longer too. hopefull some peopel at the meeting will have ideas?

hmm. now all the "don'ts" hstart with "don't" then shouldn't all the "do's" start with "do"? I feel it's a bit excessive but i'd rather have the same in each section

it makes it probably simpler and less confusing ot include the "don't"

I changed the Don'ts so that if someone just looks at bold stuff they quickly see it's NOPE

I think the lack of a NOPE is clear enough for the dos :p

yes but yes but ocd D:

:)

it's fine.

i mena it originally confused even ferso a little os adding "don't" was a good idea :D

ersj

i mean it originally confused even freso a little os adding "don't" was a good idea :D

one thing: we are 3(three!) non-english natives. we all communicate pretty alright (except for my typing) but getting a native english to look at the gramar or of there is anything wrong with language would be a boon

last thing: what should the name actually be 😅

alright. I think we can basically close OTHER-326 then. I made the wikipage, you both helped making it more than "catcat rants on a wikipage" so it's basically doen as far as "writing" now it needs refining and that's a process for he comunity, not one person

OTHER-326: Make wiki page describing the process of adding INST https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/OTHER-326

(or should i wait until it has a permanent place outside of userspace?)

Well, IMO it's ready to be moved

jes

Maybe with a different title, yes

:D

yes

you do it.

" I'm bad at coming up with names"

"instrument addition guideline" is all I got

not great

Well, I know *something somewhere* links to an adding instruments page right now

But I can't find it :p

https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/instruments has a "how to request instrument" section

lol i found https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/History:Instrument...

glorious history!

let me deal with some editing messes and I'll come back to this and we can find a place for the page

great. ping me wihen yo udo so i cna close the ticet and edit my meeting notes text

i'll work on blogs for now :D

more i look at it, i think "instrument list" is a bad name

"how to suggest/add/request New instrument"

reosarevok: any ideas abotu what name is good for this wikipage?

What about "INSTwatever or I'm bad at coming up with names" :D

no

Aww

Ok

First thing: does anything link to https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Instrument_List ? :D

https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Sub_Optimal_Credits it seems from the wiki, but from the site itself?

only crap and redirects (i checked the wiki and fixed recursive ones :D)

Yup

hmm

"Can't find an instrument? Request it!"

From the instrument attribute help

yes

this is what that is thoguh. or was meant to be

*this page inst or whatever*

https://beta.musicbrainz.org/instrument/0a06dd9... as well

Well, no

That goes straight to JIRA

But it should go to this new page