Question on "digital release": Nowadays many bands have their records also available for download, e.g. on Bandcamp. Imho if that coincides with a physical realease I would not add that as a seperate release but only in the "available for download" section, or am I mistaken?
2020-08-27 24026, 2020
CatQuest
well that's what *acousticbrainz* i for.. I think ? :D
2020-08-27 24030, 2020
mckean
or even singing voice detection. Is that something musicbrainz is interested in?
2020-08-27 24047, 2020
mckean
damo22: that would mean EXACT same :)
2020-08-27 24055, 2020
yvanzo
mckean: there is acousticbrainz for that, it tries to detect tone, mood, bpm...
pbnoxious: no. a physical release is a differnt release
2020-08-27 24032, 2020
CatQuest
but in the same Release-Group
2020-08-27 24033, 2020
pbnoxious
e.g. https://musicbrainz.org/release/632a0653-9828-4a9… was "re-released" on Vinyl but is also found on bandcamp… musicbrainz currently only has it as "digital release": Should I just change it to the correct vinyl or add the vinyl seperately
2020-08-27 24036, 2020
mckean
holy molly... is that opensource?
2020-08-27 24042, 2020
CatQuest
mckean: YES
2020-08-27 24005, 2020
pbnoxious
CatQuest: so every release has _also_ a digital release nowadays that is distinguished by nothing from the physical one?
CatQuest: in this case I'm pretty sure the record was on bandcamp before because it is a re-release…
2020-08-27 24048, 2020
yvanzo
with bitmap and reosarevok
2020-08-27 24059, 2020
pbnoxious
CatQuest: they might have added the bonus track
2020-08-27 24006, 2020
CatQuest
pbnoxious: re-releases are *aslo* separate releases
2020-08-27 24010, 2020
mckean
CatQuest: don't underestimate the cat!
2020-08-27 24014, 2020
CatQuest
let me see if i can find a good example
2020-08-27 24021, 2020
CatQuest
mckean: mrowwrr!
2020-08-27 24034, 2020
yvanzo
mckean: essentially maintaining the db and live data replication
2020-08-27 24034, 2020
pbnoxious
CatQuest: yes, the link I sent you is already a seperate release for the re-release
2020-08-27 24042, 2020
CatQuest
oh imissed it
2020-08-27 24051, 2020
mckean
yvanzo: so you rely on donations?
2020-08-27 24001, 2020
yvanzo
mckean: right, 100%
2020-08-27 24008, 2020
CatQuest
mckean: donations. but also our yvanzo link them the unicorn page
2020-08-27 24013, 2020
mckean
glad to see it work out!
2020-08-27 24015, 2020
yvanzo
or donations/sponsors if you prefer
2020-08-27 24019, 2020
CatQuest
exactly
2020-08-27 24019, 2020
CatQuest
it's the "drug dealer" business format: we give you *some* data for free. but if oy uwant more (ie faster) yo uneed to pay (this is for big kanhonas liek google and microsft. opensorunce and free stuff cna get special deals)
2020-08-27 24037, 2020
mckean
got it...
2020-08-27 24051, 2020
CatQuest
every random guy can just set up a replicating database whnever. doesnt cost anything. but if you rely on large data imports constantly
2020-08-27 24013, 2020
CatQuest
becasue you're a big commercial thing. thn yo ushoudl pay us for our data/bandwith/special deal/whatever
2020-08-27 24021, 2020
CatQuest
those are sponsors
2020-08-27 24025, 2020
yvanzo withdraws from the "drug dealer" comparison, but CatQuest seems to know ^ ;)
2020-08-27 24027, 2020
mckean
Out of curiosity, do you go around collecting data or are the big publishers/labels sending them to you?
2020-08-27 24052, 2020
CatQuest
basically we rely on all our users to import, create and update and fix data
2020-08-27 24003, 2020
CatQuest
ocassionally we get soem artists actulaly addingthemselves
2020-08-27 24011, 2020
damo22
are you guys aware of that project that takes complete audio track and splits it into individual parts?
2020-08-27 24014, 2020
CatQuest
some times we where paid by bbc to create artist pages too
2020-08-27 24054, 2020
mckean
so many questions... but I'll probably look into accousticbrainz first a bit :)
2020-08-27 24004, 2020
CatQuest
or rather. individual editors had a contract. that was reosarevok who can explain better thna me about soem stuff
For vinyl there seems to be ambiguity on how to number the tracklist: either just numbers for all tracks on both sides or adding them with sides as A1 A2… B1 B2…. Can't find anything in the guidelines, what is preferred?
2020-08-27 24037, 2020
mckean
do you provide accousticbrainz as a service?
2020-08-27 24020, 2020
mckean
this is actually simpler than expected...
2020-08-27 24034, 2020
damo22
is there a doc on how the chromaprint works at a high level description? i looked at a few source files and it seems to use an "image" representation of the audio?
2020-08-27 24000, 2020
damo22
it filters, resamples, normalises
2020-08-27 24011, 2020
damo22
removes some noise
2020-08-27 24012, 2020
damo22
hashes the spectra?
2020-08-27 24045, 2020
mckean
when I used it a did it with aidmatch.py
2020-08-27 24021, 2020
mckean
yvanzo: am I correct that the high level data is only provided by musicbrainz when submitting the generated data file?
Do I need to create two distinct releases and disambiguate them based on the format?
2020-08-27 24007, 2020
Rotab
no
2020-08-27 24010, 2020
yvanzo
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evelyn
I was thinking, would it be OK to put two release events with the two cat. numbers in this case?
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elomatreb[m]
simukis_: It depends a bit on your preferences, there isn't yet an established standard for how to treat such the-same-but-technically-different releases.
2020-08-27 24044, 2020
elomatreb[m]
Some people will create individual releases e.g. for every digital vendor, whereas others collapse them all into one (IMO tracking formats and vendors doesn't make much sense for a database like this)
2020-08-27 24051, 2020
elomatreb[m]
Your specific case is complicated by the different catalog numbers, I don't know if there is any precedent for something like this
2020-08-27 24022, 2020
elomatreb[m]
I'd probably add both catalog numbers by using the release label twice
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simukis_
got it, that's what I was leaning towards myself as well.
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2020-08-27 24019, 2020
evelyn
On a certain album (a compilation), the artist credits were wrong for certain recordings, so I selected the proper recording with the right artist. However, I think this might have been the wrong thing to do in hindsight - should I cancel the edit, update the artist, and then merge the recordings afterward instead?
