nattie waves at reosarevok - sorry for my assortment of rookie mistakes!
2020-11-02 30759, 2020
reosarevok
Hi!
2020-11-02 30711, 2020
reosarevok
And no worries, people make classical mistakes way after hey're rookies
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reosarevok
*they're
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nattie
phew!
2020-11-02 30750, 2020
nattie is mostly adding all the random obscure CDs she has accumulated, which probably in practice nobody actually has
2020-11-02 30757, 2020
nattie
but the principle, right? :)
2020-11-02 30703, 2020
reosarevok
So, good news, you don't need to feel too bad about your mistakes, but bad news, if you're a perfectionist you'll struggle for a while :p
2020-11-02 30718, 2020
reosarevok
I mean, I spend a couple hours a day fixing albums I don't have, so
2020-11-02 30731, 2020
reosarevok
Of course, Spotify means I can sometimes check some that look interesting now, but :)
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nattie
:)
2020-11-02 30735, 2020
nattie
i'm sure there'll still be plenty of times when i have questions
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nattie mutters about vague documentation on the CDs/liners themselves
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reosarevok
Well, if you want you can ask them here, I'm not the only one who understand classical
2020-11-02 30755, 2020
reosarevok
(I hope...)
2020-11-02 30701, 2020
reosarevok
*understands even!
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nattie
*nods*
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reosarevok
So even if I'm not around you can get help
2020-11-02 30718, 2020
nattie
in general, if credits are for the entire album, rather than individual tracks, should they be applied to all the tracks then?
2020-11-02 30709, 2020
nattie
(even if we have a vague idea that not everyone performed on a particular track)
2020-11-02 30751, 2020
nattie
also, where personnel of a group is known, should it be documented? (like up to an octet maybe, not a whole choir!)
2020-11-02 30726, 2020
CatQuest will try to hlep if they can
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nattie
yay!
2020-11-02 30739, 2020
CatQuest
(ignor my spelling though:D)
2020-11-02 30744, 2020
nattie
hopefully at some point i'll also know enough to help never people
2020-11-02 30748, 2020
nattie
*newer
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CatQuest
yay!
2020-11-02 30752, 2020
nattie
ignore my spelling too
2020-11-02 30702, 2020
CatQuest
that's the lovely circle of musicbrainz <3
2020-11-02 30705, 2020
CatQuest
haha
2020-11-02 30715, 2020
nattie
well, i guess i'm here now. hello everyone!
2020-11-02 30736, 2020
CatQuest
[20:25] <nattie> in general, if credits are for the entire album, rather than individual tracks, should they be applied to all the tracks then?
2020-11-02 30736, 2020
nattie accidentally another community, it seems ;)
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CatQuest
for that i'd do it only on the album level jsut to make sure tbh
2020-11-02 30700, 2020
nattie
*nods* makes sense
2020-11-02 30708, 2020
CatQuest
:D yay! welcome to MusicBrainz!
2020-11-02 30721, 2020
reosarevok
Basically, yeah
2020-11-02 30747, 2020
reosarevok
I might make an exception for cases where you're like "ok, I'm fairly sure this is for the entire album, but maybe one of them doesn't play in this one track, not sure"
2020-11-02 30715, 2020
reosarevok
But I'd go release level for cases where it's more like "well, there's a list of people, but I'd totally be guessing if I set it on recordings"
2020-11-02 30728, 2020
CatQuest nods
2020-11-02 30751, 2020
nattie is specifically on about Quia Amore Langueo, which is both very specifically and very vaguely documented
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reosarevok
And sometimes, especially for classical, you can figure it out easily with listening or context
2020-11-02 30700, 2020
reosarevok
Yeah, that album seemed hard :D
2020-11-02 30724, 2020
CatQuest
atleast it's not scholtz :D
2020-11-02 30729, 2020
reosarevok
In that case, I think both approaches are kinda messy, but I don't have any better suggestion than "send a mail to the composer or something"
2020-11-02 30737, 2020
reosarevok
(hey, sometimes it works...)
2020-11-02 30747, 2020
nattie
that's actually kind of tempting - i've emailed the composer before and he seemed really nice
2020-11-02 30753, 2020
CatQuest
:O
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CatQuest
then dooo it!
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CatQuest
<3
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reosarevok
In general you can often figure out that, well, this specific work seems to be for unaccompanied choir, so probably no organ here
2020-11-02 30709, 2020
reosarevok
Or whatnot
2020-11-02 30722, 2020
reosarevok
But in this case it's not the kind of thing you can find info like that, so :)
2020-11-02 30724, 2020
CatQuest usually listens to stuff that is medieval, no chance emailing the composer there :D
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reosarevok
Yeah
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nattie
"Dear Machaut, what up G-dawg..." ;)
2020-11-02 30752, 2020
reosarevok
Pretty sure MB does not accept "the composer told me in an occult session"
2020-11-02 30740, 2020
nattie
yeah
2020-11-02 30700, 2020
nattie
i'll email the composer, but it may be in December or so, when i have the headspace for it
2020-11-02 30704, 2020
CatQuest is laughing right now
2020-11-02 30716, 2020
nattie
more specifically, for things like bands where musicians are credited, should i put those in?
2020-11-02 30725, 2020
reosarevok
Depends
2020-11-02 30732, 2020
reosarevok
So, are you thinking classical or popular?
2020-11-02 30733, 2020
CatQuest
"I asked Purcell, and Purcell be like..."
2020-11-02 30735, 2020
nattie
(mostly because my music-finding MO has often been "oh, they're also in such-and-such")
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reosarevok
I guess popular from that
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nattie
reosarevok: that vague folk/early overlap, mostly
2020-11-02 30713, 2020
reosarevok
Ok. There's certainly nothing bad about listing all performers if you have them
2020-11-02 30729, 2020
nattie
(concretely something like members of the Dufay Collective also being in the Carnival Band, for example)
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nattie
*nods*
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nattie
i'll do that, but this may be a few months down the line
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reosarevok
When I have, say, a string quartet, I often (if I can be bothered) list the violins, viola and cello explicitly
2020-11-02 30709, 2020
reosarevok
At least if I'm sure that they all play
2020-11-02 30732, 2020
nattie
this all started with digitising CDs ahead of a move, so a lot of stuff may happen on the other end rather than here/now
2020-11-02 30735, 2020
reosarevok
If you've reached the point of setting the recording artists (I forget) then I'd generally only set the quartet itself there
2020-11-02 30749, 2020
reosarevok
(same for a vocal group or whatnot)
2020-11-02 30702, 2020
nattie
i think i still need to read about recordings/recording artists to make sure i've got that right
2020-11-02 30716, 2020
reosarevok
And of course for popular music and usually folk too that doesn't really apply - you'll want the band as track artist, recording artist, etc
2020-11-02 30717, 2020
nattie
i'm not touching that until i understand it
2020-11-02 30734, 2020
reosarevok
But you can definitely still add relationships if you know that X played guitar or banjo or vacuum cleaner
2020-11-02 30739, 2020
CatQuest
nattie: deffo, do it at your own pace, doing ot too fast wil either burn otu out or end up not finishing: (see me, i started adding releases in in 2004 and thne i kidna.. uh continued editng)
2020-11-02 30743, 2020
reosarevok
(I wouldn't mind some vacuum cleaner folk)
2020-11-02 30707, 2020
CatQuest
it's not 2020 and i stil havent added all my music, (and the datamodel is by now os differnt that the ones I *did* add are a bit outo f acurate)
nattie seems to have a ton of random self-released CDs from people
2020-11-02 30752, 2020
reosarevok
CatQuest: I mean, I can try and play the vacuum cleaner myself, but I doubt it'd sound folky ;p
2020-11-02 30720, 2020
CatQuest
nattie: cool! add those!
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evelyn
hey nattie o/ i have added quite a bit of folk music to the db :)
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nattie
ooh, hi evelyn *wave*
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nattie
CatQuest: will do, as i stumble across them. they're either in boxes atm, or supposed to be in boxes...
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CatQuest
:D
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evelyn
reosarevok the queen of hearts by offa rex
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evelyn
maybe bonnie light horseman too
2020-11-02 30701, 2020
evelyn
(both american like them)
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reosarevok
Will check! :) thanks
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nattie
anyway, back later!
2020-11-02 30706, 2020
nattie
lovely meeting you, reosarevok and CatQuest!
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reosarevok
Enjoy! :)
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evelyn
i find american idea of folk music is *very* different to what we have in the uk
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CatQuest
:D
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CatQuest
here ad well
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CatQuest
as*
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reosarevok
I mean, I like some stuff I've heard from both sides (and a lot from here in Estonia of course)
2020-11-02 30741, 2020
reosarevok
But I really like the sound of this specific stuff, might be the American influence, we'll see :)
2020-11-02 30740, 2020
evelyn
oh dear, Amazon have started putting a 'prime' watermark on the images displayed on the MP3 store: it adds this ._SS500_PIPJStripe-Robin-Large-V2,TopLeft,0,0_ bbefore the extension
we tried finding ways to get the original size, that could possibly fix your found isse?
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evelyn
oh yeah, I know how it works, you just remove the bit after ._
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CatQuest
so replace ._SS500_PIPJStripe-Robin-Large-V2,TopLeft,0,0_ with ._SX_SCRMZZZZZZZ_
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evelyn
and that returns the original size
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CatQuest
yeh
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evelyn
if it doesn't recognise the thing after ._ eg _SX_SCRMZZZZZZZ_ it just returns the original size
2020-11-02 30756, 2020
CatQuest
yes
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evelyn
see how the Image Max URL program works
2020-11-02 30709, 2020
evelyn
sorry I thought you did not know!
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CatQuest
I'm still using the ._SX_SCRMZZZZZZZ_ trick now to get the largest image :)
2020-11-02 30723, 2020
evelyn
do you have any examples where ._SX_SCRMZZZZZZ_ returns a bigger image than just removing the ._ outright+
2020-11-02 30725, 2020
evelyn
?
2020-11-02 30745, 2020
evelyn
or are the ones without _SX_SCRMZZZZZZZ_ compressed somehow?
2020-11-02 30724, 2020
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