man, I was gonna try to write something following the style principles, but according to https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle "If no definite proof can be found for the correct spelling/punctuation, the most common version should be used." would apply here :/
2015-08-10 22221, 2015
kepstin
curse our conflicting and ambiguous guidelines!
2015-08-10 22201, 2015
kepstin links to the Artist Intent page instead without mentioning the style principles ;)
2015-08-10 22246, 2015
kepstin
http://www.girlsgenerationusa.com/ is kind of funny, the page title has no ' or ’ at all, and the banner at the top uses a ’, while all the content appears to use '
2015-08-10 22213, 2015
kepstin
that page looks kind of outdated tho :/
2015-08-10 22223, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
it's typeset with ’ on all the scans
2015-08-10 22237, 2015
hibiscuskazeneko
no accounting for font variation?
2015-08-10 22204, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
some of the fonts they use have identical ' and ’ glyphs
2015-08-10 22236, 2015
kepstin
it's fairly rare for fonts to use the same ' and ’ glyphs, particularly if there's a distinct curve to them, because then something 'quoted like this' would look bad.
2015-08-10 22250, 2015
kepstin
but it does happen, yeah
2015-08-10 22234, 2015
kepstin
notably, there's some spots on their official site where the ’ is used, e.g. in the "Career" section of http://girlsgeneration.smtown.com/
2015-08-10 22204, 2015
kepstin
(the font I see it in has very distinct glyphs)
2015-08-10 22216, 2015
kepstin
meanwhile at the top of the page it uses '
2015-08-10 22253, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
the band logo font uses ’ though
2015-08-10 22227, 2015
kepstin
then of course there's that mini-album where it's written GIRLS⁴ GENERATION :)
2015-08-10 22241, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
also, I never bothered to check how they look like... are you sure they're not all twins? or at least sisters O_O
2015-08-10 22204, 2015
hibiscuskazeneko
They're not related. They've all had extensive plastic surgery.
2015-08-10 22226, 2015
kepstin
they all have very distinct hairstyles, at least.
2015-08-10 22244, 2015
kepstin
so yeah, based on our research i'd put it down as 'official use is inconsistent, prefer the musicbrainz guidelines'
2015-08-10 22259, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
at least our idols all look different
2015-08-10 22223, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
by our I meant my company's
2015-08-10 22223, 2015
kepstin
Nyanko-sensei, i'm missing reference for what 'our' refers to in your sentence :)
2015-08-10 22225, 2015
hibiscuskazeneko
Japan doesn't have a "Beauty Belt" like Korea does, does it?
error handling無し, and don't try it on anything other than flac, vorbis, or opus yet without backups.
2015-08-10 22232, 2015
kepstin
actually, don't try it on flac, vorbis or opus without backups either.
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Nyanko-sensei made a habit of searching, checking and adding ISRCs for the stuff he owns...
2015-08-10 22257, 2015
Nyanko-sensei
too bad I have so many releases without ISRC detection from ancient days >_<
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hibiscuskazeneko
pankkake: No, it's the third/fourth time.
2015-08-10 22218, 2015
pankkake
well, shit. and unfortunately we can't do anything
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kepstin
interesting. stuff bought from google play music and downloaded as mp3 includes a PRIV id3v2 frame containing some XML that includes both an cryptographic signature of some sort, and the track ISRC.
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gibbon_
kepstin: I know at least that google recognizes files bought from one account when trying to upload it to another... I wanted some files my wife bought in my Google Play Music... they rejected the upload because the file was bought by another google play user. That was some while ago though. The ISRC is useful though I guess
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jesus2099
hi there… I have an LC code that is not yet on MB here but I see at least 3 “labels” on the release so I don’t know what I should do… Attach this label code to all of them or do nothing (I did nothing). If anyone has any tips… it’s this excellent release https://musicbrainz.org/release/61903030-1b2c-496…
2015-08-10 22204, 2015
Freso
jesus2099: Maybe add an annotation to all three that they *may* have that LC code?
2015-08-10 22255, 2015
jesus2099
oh yes and then it’s like SUDOKU pin‐pointing for the other editors to find which one it is in the end. :)
2015-08-10 22223, 2015
jesus2099
still, good idea :)
2015-08-10 22201, 2015
Freso
Sure, but if at some point there's another release with the same LC and only two of the labels, the third one can be removed, etc., instead of starting from scratch every time the LC is encountered.
2015-08-10 22259, 2015
pankkake
Discogs sometimes adds it to the release. but it won't be very findable (especially since we only have the annotation)
2015-08-10 22207, 2015
Nyanko-sensei hopes he'll not get yelled at for hijacking solo bonus discs and prepending the actual release to them ^^;
(i wrote it in the forums so it can be retrieved more easily, like a FAQ
2015-08-10 22251, 2015
jesus2099
ok i found the hint ! :)
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snoozebrainz
what should be done with edits like this, https://musicbrainz.org/edit/34451128 (edit of a disc 2 as a separate release and release group). should they be voted no on or make a note and come back and merge them later on?
2015-08-10 22236, 2015
pankkake
the editor only added disc 2?
2015-08-10 22202, 2015
snoozebrainz
added disc 1 earlier on
2015-08-10 22234, 2015
pankkake
well then you can merge already
2015-08-10 22243, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah, just merge as it is. Do not vote No, but you can explain that ideally they should do it themselves :)
2015-08-10 22202, 2015
reosarevok
(I am not sure if nowadays there's a way to add a release as disc 2 from a discID, probably not?)
2015-08-10 22247, 2015
reosarevok
Is everyone getting 502s seemingly at random or am I unlucky here?
2015-08-10 22256, 2015
snoozebrainz
I'm getting them aswell
2015-08-10 22242, 2015
reosarevok
Sigh. Ok. Hope we get a sysadmin soonish... at least now it's actually in the plans
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Freso
reosarevok: Nope. Still have to add disc 2 on its own. You can reuse the release group though...
2015-08-10 22204, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah, I guess that saves one edit :)
2015-08-10 22206, 2015
mb-chat-logger
New post: blog: Area editing, part I: How did we wind up here? <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/08/10/area-editing-part-i-how-did-we-wind-up-here/>
