CallerNo6, if it was capitalize-then-elide, there'd be no need to say anything about "n'" and "o'".
2015-08-23 23545, 2015
Leftmost
I prefer the look of "'em" as well, but it's not consistent.
2015-08-23 23540, 2015
a7medo778
darwin: it's kinda barebones and lack a proper api :/
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Freso
a7medo778: What's your "small project"?
2015-08-23 23509, 2015
Freso
bitmap: So the problem is that for whatever reason some javascript language files isn't being generated during the compilation then?
2015-08-23 23513, 2015
a7medo778
freso: basicly spotify for local catalogs in my country
2015-08-23 23506, 2015
a7medo778
freso: it got big and now i am getting offers from labels even before official launch, but need to offer something better than my hacky platform i guess
also what to do of "Paroles éditées par Spooky American Music, BMI (adm. BUG)"? (édité = published, paroles = lyrics). apparently it has separate publishing for lyrics
CatCat: I've overtaken the other edit in the queue, so it's not a problem.
2015-08-23 23521, 2015
KRS-Cuan
Also, wasn't it 72 hours? Did that change?
2015-08-23 23533, 2015
CatCat
oh hell is it 72 now?
2015-08-23 23526, 2015
kuno
CatCat: right, so no_NO doesn't really exist as its own thing. I guess that's what you use if you don't know if a piece of text is nn_NO or nb_NO.
2015-08-23 23502, 2015
kuno
CatCat: I assume it's not common for both nb_NO and nb_NO to be used in a single piece of writing.
2015-08-23 23509, 2015
kuno
erm, both nb_NO and nn_NO.
2015-08-23 23510, 2015
KRS-Cuan
It's annoying for things like that, but I'd always take that over a non-revertable edit that turns out to be controversial passing because of three quick yeses.
2015-08-23 23516, 2015
KRS-Cuan
kuno: Shouldn't that be the other way round?
2015-08-23 23509, 2015
kuno
KRS-Cuan: what should be which way round? :)
2015-08-23 23524, 2015
KRS-Cuan
"no" in front.
2015-08-23 23556, 2015
kuno
KRS-Cuan: the IETF language tags are <language>-<COUNTRY> (well, they can be more complicated). so the second part should be _NO for languages spoken in norway.
2015-08-23 23543, 2015
kuno
"no" as a language code as I understand doesn't describe a language distinct from nynorks or bokmal.
2015-08-23 23524, 2015
KRS-Cuan
I was thinking en_US, but yeah, that's entirely different.
2015-08-23 23506, 2015
KRS-Cuan
Still seems weird since Nynorsk and Bokmal are ways of writing the same language, just with a different orthography
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KRS-Cuan
AFAICT
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kuno
KRS-Cuan: right, so I guess it makes sense to use no_NO for audio, and nn_NO and nb_NO for written text.
2015-08-23 23554, 2015
KRS-Cuan
My logic was language-variant, but that's not how things are done.
2015-08-23 23506, 2015
kuno
ah :)
2015-08-23 23520, 2015
KRS-Cuan
So I guess dialects like Kölsch also can't be expressed in IETF format.
2015-08-23 23551, 2015
KRS-Cuan
Or they'd have to be considered separate languages.
2015-08-23 23548, 2015
KRS-Cuan
ksh_DE
2015-08-23 23522, 2015
kuno
it looks like kölsh is registered as a language variant subtag, so I think that would be de-DE-ksh
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CatQuest
for example one word: "I" (as in I am norwegian) you can say as : Jeg, eg, je, jæ, i, e, æ, jei
2015-08-23 23530, 2015
CatQuest
nb is the closes to spoken "oslomål" and nynorks is an amalgam of distric dialects. it is a created language intended ot re-create original norwegian, it is spoken officially in tv (nrk, norwegian aqua of bbc) and in theatre (det nye teater) etc
2015-08-23 23545, 2015
CatQuest
Quite A lot of artists make a statement about writing (and singing) in nynorsk
2015-08-23 23522, 2015
CatQuest
(in fact, although I am "oslomål" myself I agree that singing in a more "a" ending frendly language is often very pretty)
2015-08-23 23532, 2015
CatQuest
whereas folk singers will often sing their dialect (and write their text in either bokmål (for dialects where are similarest to that) nynorsk (for when it's a statment and if they prefer that) or an equivalent "how it's spoken" written)
2015-08-23 23543, 2015
CatQuest
(latterest often for districs norway)
2015-08-23 23523, 2015
CatQuest
in Trønderlag, they have the trønderrock and it's it norwegian sometimes
2015-08-23 23547, 2015
CatQuest
lyrics to knutens&ludivgsen's "Eg ve te Bergen" arein the Bergen dialect
2015-08-23 23550, 2015
CatQuest
it's fun to sing
2015-08-23 23514, 2015
CatQuest
language.. language is a Big Deal here. lol
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CallerNo6
Leftmost, about capitalize-then-elide, I'm not sure what guideline#4 is trying to accomplish. The only examples are words that wouldn't have been capitalized anyway.
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hibiscuskazenek1
Is MB slow for anyone else?
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Leftmost
CallerNo6, I think it's written that way because the doc starts out with "All words in a title should have their first letter capitalized and following letters lower case except as noted below".
2015-08-23 23536, 2015
Leftmost
I've been wanting to do some tweaking to that document to clarify a few points of ambiguity, but I have strong feelings about my interpretation of it, so I'm not sure I'm the best person to take that on.
2015-08-23 23550, 2015
CallerNo6
the first letter in 'em is "t" :-P
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Leftmost
The first letter in 'em is e. :-P
2015-08-23 23532, 2015
Leftmost
Anyhow, the text of guideline 4 suggests that it should be "'Em" to me.
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CallerNo6
but no, your reading is probably correct. I'd only note that the debate about 'em and 'bout happened /after/ guideline#4 was written. So it feels like there wasn't any consensus.
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CallerNo6
What would you tweak?
2015-08-23 23537, 2015
CallerNo6
(what if I capitalize the apostrophe? would that satisfy everybody?)
2015-08-23 23513, 2015
Leftmost
Some people take 3c to be suggestive but not exhaustive, whereas I feel the wording means it should be read as exhaustive.
2015-08-23 23538, 2015
CallerNo6
I think the intent was to be exhaustive, yes.
2015-08-23 23525, 2015
CallerNo6
because they wanted a guideline that was easy to follow for non-native English speakers.
2015-08-23 23534, 2015
Leftmost
I feel that as well, particularly because of what the justification used to include, but I've had debates before that couldn't be settled because of different readings.
2015-08-23 23543, 2015
CallerNo6
It's all arbitrary anyway. Why <4 letters only? Why anything?
2015-08-23 23543, 2015
Leftmost
It is. I personally like the guideline, so its particular arbitrarity (definitely a word) appeals to me. I just want some sort of consistency and I think the ambiguity makes it difficult to achieve that.
2015-08-23 23549, 2015
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2015-08-23 23526, 2015
CallerNo6
(thanks parcelite! thanks Mr. Lovecraft!)
2015-08-23 23509, 2015
Freso
CatCat: Cheers. I did go with linking "no" to "nb", so thank you for confirming that. :)
2015-08-23 23540, 2015
Freso
(I can never forget which one "no" de facto points to.)
2015-08-23 23558, 2015
Freso
Eh. *always forget/*can never remember
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