#musicbrainz

a7medo778: Clint there is associated with libre.fm...

which has some aspects of artists-adding-their-own-music...

Freso: they're generated whenever you run compile_resources.sh, and then removed since they're only needed temporarily

@ https://github.com/metabrainz/musicbrainz-serve...

CallerNo6, if it was capitalize-then-elide, there'd be no need to say anything about "n'" and "o'".

I prefer the look of "'em" as well, but it's not consistent.

darwin: it's kinda barebones and lack a proper api :/

a7medo778: What's your "small project"?

bitmap: So the problem is that for whatever reason some javascript language files isn't being generated during the compilation then?

freso: basicly spotify for local catalogs in my country

freso: it got big and now i am getting offers from labels even before official launch, but need to offer something better than my hacky platform i guess

http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/ac658503-7... < hmm, well that's wrong. that catalog/barcode is a 4 CD boxset, a la http://www.discogs.com/McCarthy-Complete-Albums... .. how to fix this? :S

http://shelter-press.com/060-Stephen-O-Malley-E... <= what would be the relationship for "cut"?

also what to do of "Paroles éditées par Spooky American Music, BMI (adm. BUG)"? (édité = published, paroles = lyrics). apparently it has separate publishing for lyrics

hello

I need three yes votes on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/34734147 so this can pass before a merge that would destroy the credits.

CatCat: Do you know if "no" is used for bokmål or nynorsk?

(I realise that they're nb and nn respectively as well.)

Freso: honestly "no" is just "generically norwegian" wich should be either or, technically. but de facto, bokmål

KRS-Cuan: you'vew got a problem in that edit is considered "destructive" so will stay open for 48 hours regardless :(

CatCat: now I wonder what the language codes for norwegian are

.no .nn (nynorsk) .nb (bokmål)

(language tags, like fy_NL, en_GB and en_US)

buh hum.. probably no_NO nn_NO and nb_NO

usually we get en_NO thoguh :C

case in point: http://shop.lego.com/en-NO/

CatCat: I've overtaken the other edit in the queue, so it's not a problem.

Also, wasn't it 72 hours? Did that change?

oh hell is it 72 now?

CatCat: right, so no_NO doesn't really exist as its own thing. I guess that's what you use if you don't know if a piece of text is nn_NO or nb_NO.

CatCat: I assume it's not common for both nb_NO and nb_NO to be used in a single piece of writing.

erm, both nb_NO and nn_NO.

It's annoying for things like that, but I'd always take that over a non-revertable edit that turns out to be controversial passing because of three quick yeses.

kuno: Shouldn't that be the other way round?

KRS-Cuan: what should be which way round? :)

"no" in front.

KRS-Cuan: the IETF language tags are <language>-<COUNTRY> (well, they can be more complicated). so the second part should be _NO for languages spoken in norway.

"no" as a language code as I understand doesn't describe a language distinct from nynorks or bokmal.

I was thinking en_US, but yeah, that's entirely different.

Still seems weird since Nynorsk and Bokmal are ways of writing the same language, just with a different orthography

AFAICT

KRS-Cuan: right, so I guess it makes sense to use no_NO for audio, and nn_NO and nb_NO for written text.

My logic was language-variant, but that's not how things are done.

ah :)

So I guess dialects like Kölsch also can't be expressed in IETF format.

Or they'd have to be considered separate languages.

ksh_DE

it looks like kölsh is registered as a language variant subtag, so I think that would be de-DE-ksh

for example one word: "I" (as in I am norwegian) you can say as : Jeg, eg, je, jæ, i, e, æ, jei

nb is the closes to spoken "oslomål" and nynorks is an amalgam of distric dialects. it is a created language intended ot re-create original norwegian, it is spoken officially in tv (nrk, norwegian aqua of bbc) and in theatre (det nye teater) etc

Quite A lot of artists make a statement about writing (and singing) in nynorsk

(in fact, although I am "oslomål" myself I agree that singing in a more "a" ending frendly language is often very pretty)

whereas folk singers will often sing their dialect (and write their text in either bokmål (for dialects where are similarest to that) nynorsk (for when it's a statment and if they prefer that) or an equivalent "how it's spoken" written)

(latterest often for districs norway)

in Trønderlag, they have the trønderrock and it's it norwegian sometimes

lyrics to knutens&ludivgsen's "Eg ve te Bergen" arein the Bergen dialect

it's fun to sing

language.. language is a Big Deal here. lol

Leftmost, about capitalize-then-elide, I'm not sure what guideline#4 is trying to accomplish. The only examples are words that wouldn't have been capitalized anyway.

Is MB slow for anyone else?

CallerNo6, I think it's written that way because the doc starts out with "All words in a title should have their first letter capitalized and following letters lower case except as noted below".

I've been wanting to do some tweaking to that document to clarify a few points of ambiguity, but I have strong feelings about my interpretation of it, so I'm not sure I'm the best person to take that on.

the first letter in 'em is "t" :-P

The first letter in 'em is e. :-P

Anyhow, the text of guideline 4 suggests that it should be "'Em" to me.

but no, your reading is probably correct. I'd only note that the debate about 'em and 'bout happened /after/ guideline#4 was written. So it feels like there wasn't any consensus.

What would you tweak?

(what if I capitalize the apostrophe? would that satisfy everybody?)

Some people take 3c to be suggestive but not exhaustive, whereas I feel the wording means it should be read as exhaustive.

I think the intent was to be exhaustive, yes.

because they wanted a guideline that was easy to follow for non-native English speakers.

I feel that as well, particularly because of what the justification used to include, but I've had debates before that couldn't be settled because of different readings.

It's all arbitrary anyway. Why <4 letters only? Why anything?

It is. I personally like the guideline, so its particular arbitrarity (definitely a word) appeals to me. I just want some sort of consistency and I think the ambiguity makes it difficult to achieve that.

(thanks parcelite! thanks Mr. Lovecraft!)

CatCat: Cheers. I did go with linking "no" to "nb", so thank you for confirming that. :)

(I can never forget which one "no" de facto points to.)

Eh. *always forget/*can never remember

Leftmost, agreed, definitely a word!